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Can 7 of 9 have CHILDREN ??

DammitJim6200

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Report this Feb. 04 2010, 1:38 pm

Being that the lovely Seven of Nine was turned into a Borg at a young age how much of her body is affected ? and can she function like a human female giving birth ? and if so would her implants affect a fetus inside of her ? HMMM  :question:

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Report this Feb. 04 2010, 1:40 pm

I doubt there's an answer to how her insides would work after assimilation, but she could have children by using the DNA extraction method.

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Report this Feb. 04 2010, 1:45 pm

Well, mom & dad would never have to buy junior a erector set, home chemistry lab, or the latest video game system.

DammitJim6200

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Report this Feb. 04 2010, 1:48 pm

Quote (captbates @ Feb. 03 2010, 2:40 pm)
I doubt there's an answer to how her insides would work after assimilation, but she could have children by using the DNA extraction method.

NO..Anybody can do it THAT way......I mean the NORMAL way, the sperm meets the egg way.  ;)

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Feb. 04 2010, 1:50 pm

I would be will to try...

and try...

and try again...

:p

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Report this Feb. 04 2010, 1:50 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Feb. 03 2010, 6:48 pm)
Quote (captbates @ Feb. 03 2010, 2:40 pm)
I doubt there's an answer to how her insides would work after assimilation, but she could have children by using the DNA extraction method.

NO..Anybody can do it THAT way......I mean the NORMAL way, the sperm meets the egg way. ¿;)

It would make more sense if she was unable to concieve, but with Trek writers who knows what kinda crazy crap they'd come up with.

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Feb. 04 2010, 2:45 pm

I don't think she can have children, because as she was assimulated at such a young age, those organs probably would have atrophied.  There was no need to develop those organs as they were not used by the Borg (as far as we know).

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Report this Feb. 04 2010, 5:08 pm

I wondered how the reproductive organs are affected after assimilation into the collective. I assume since the Borg do not reproduce, (they assimilate and conquer) that there would be no need for the reproductive organs to function and drones are sterilized upon assimilation. Or that the body is so riddled with implants that the organs stop function on their own.

If she had the will to have children, an intact reproductive system (ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, cervix, vagina, hormones..), there could be a way those could be stimulated again with help from advanced medical technology. It was referenced in "Human Error" but that was part of a holographic fantasy. Maybe she could have children.

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Report this Feb. 05 2010, 7:08 am

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Feb. 04 2010, 8:45 pm)
I don't think she can have children, because as she was assimulated at such a young age, those organs probably would have atrophied. ¿There was no need to develop those organs as they were not used by the Borg (as far as we know).

that could be said for her taste buts and tear ducts but those startred to work fine on vgr so maybe those are fine too.

if not then she and C could always adopt couldn't they

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Report this Feb. 05 2010, 8:57 am

well, considering that breast development is a by product of estrogen (no, size is not correlated/proportional to the amount of estrogen) i would say that at the least seven's ovaries are functioning normally.  the case then becomes whether or not her uterus development normally too.

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Report this Feb. 05 2010, 9:43 am

Technobabble says yes.

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Report this Feb. 05 2010, 12:41 pm

Quote (Commander_Zelkar @ Feb. 04 2010, 1:50 pm)
I would be will to try...

and try...

and try again...

:p

:laugh:

Way to take one for the team, bro!

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Report this Feb. 05 2010, 12:45 pm

Quote (LtPondwater9 @ Feb. 04 2010, 5:08 pm)
I wondered how the reproductive organs are affected after assimilation into the collective. I assume since the Borg do not reproduce, (they assimilate and conquer) that there would be no need for the reproductive organs to function and drones are sterilized upon assimilation. Or that the body is so riddled with implants that the organs stop function on their own.

If she had the will to have children, an intact reproductive system (ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, cervix, vagina, hormones..), there could be a way those could be stimulated again with help from advanced medical technology. It was referenced in "Human Error" but that was part of a holographic fantasy. Maybe she could have children.

Actually, the Borg do reproduce, as seen in their first appearance in Q Who in TNG season 2.  They use artificial wombs, I assume because they're more efficient and won't compromise a female drone's effectiveness.  

Ok, here's another point:  In Unimatrix One (which I thought was a really bad episode), Janeway, Torres, and Tuvok were assimilated.  They were all returned to normal and Torress was able to conceive and give birth to a daughter later on.  There's an indication that Seven should be able to as well.

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Report this Feb. 05 2010, 4:45 pm

Quote (rocketscientist @ Feb. 05 2010, 12:45 pm)
Quote (LtPondwater9 @ Feb. 04 2010, 5:08 pm)
I wondered how the reproductive organs are affected after assimilation into the collective. I assume since the Borg do not reproduce, (they assimilate and conquer) that there would be no need for the reproductive organs to function and drones are sterilized upon assimilation. Or that the body is so riddled with implants that the organs stop function on their own.

If she had the will to have children, an intact reproductive system (ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, cervix, vagina, hormones..), there could be a way those could be stimulated again with help from advanced medical technology. It was referenced in "Human Error" but that was part of a holographic fantasy. Maybe she could have children.

Actually, the Borg do reproduce, as seen in their first appearance in Q Who in TNG season 2. ?They use artificial wombs, I assume because they're more efficient and won't compromise a female drone's effectiveness. ?

Ok, here's another point: ?In Unimatrix One (which I thought was a really bad episode), Janeway, Torres, and Tuvok were assimilated. ?They were all returned to normal and Torress was able to conceive and give birth to a daughter later on. ?There's an indication that Seven should be able to as well.

In "Q,Who", there really wasn't any background information to tell whether they Borg reproduced the way most species reproduced. Riker and Worf actually stumbled onto Maturation Chambers.

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At the time "Q Who?" was produced, the back story regarding the Borg increasing their numbers through assimilation was not yet developed. Therefore, Riker's description of the nursery indicates that the Borg reproduced with each other, their babies born as organic lifeforms, and then after birth enhanced with mechanical devices. This was later disproved by several episodes of Star Trek: Voyager which stated that the Borg expand their numbers through assimilation only, capturing babies and children and then placing them in maturation chambers to accelerate their growth.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Maturation_chamber



The episode where Janeway, Tuvok and Torres were assimilated into the collective is called "Unimatrix Zero". They were temporary drones. Seven of Nine spent eighteen years as a drone, more damage can be done over years versus a short stint.

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Report this Feb. 05 2010, 6:02 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (rocketscientist @ Feb. 05 2010, 12:45 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (LtPondwater9 @ Feb. 04 2010, 5:08 pm)> id="QUOTE">I wondered how the reproductive organs are affected after assimilation into the collective. I assume since the Borg do not reproduce, (they assimilate and conquer) that there would be no need for the reproductive organs to function and drones are sterilized upon assimilation. Or that the body is so riddled with implants that the organs stop function on their own.

If she had the will to have children, an intact reproductive system (ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus, cervix, vagina, hormones..), there could be a way those could be stimulated again with help from advanced medical technology. It was referenced in "Human Error" but that was part of a holographic fantasy. Maybe she could have children.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (LtPondwater9 @ Feb. 05 2010, 4:45 pm)

Actually, the Borg do reproduce, as seen in their first appearance in Q Who in TNG season 2. ?They use artificial wombs, I assume because they're more efficient and won't compromise a female drone's effectiveness. ?

Ok, here's another point: ?In Unimatrix One (which I thought was a really bad episode), Janeway, Torres, and Tuvok were assimilated. ?They were all returned to normal and Torress was able to conceive and give birth to a daughter later on. ?There's an indication that Seven should be able to as well.

In "Q,Who", there really wasn't any background information to tell whether they Borg reproduced the way most species reproduced. Riker and Worf actually stumbled onto Maturation Chambers.

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The episode where Janeway, Tuvok and Torres were assimilated into the collective is called "Unimatrix Zero". They were temporary drones. Seven of Nine spent eighteen years as a drone, more damage can be done over years versus a short stint.


Sure, if they kept modifying them.  That was actually one of my problems with that episode.  Becoming a drone usually entails being permanently maimed.  We know that drones have lost their limbs.  Seven lost one of her eyes, as well as other organs.  In the original plan for Best of Both Worlds, Picard was supposed to lose his arm.  

And yet, in Unimatrix 0, Tuvok, Janeway, and Torres get away scott free.  

If the Borg removed Seven's ovaries, uterus, etc., why wouldn't they do the same with Torres and Janeway?  I don't see any reason why they wouldn't.

Which again, is really part of the reason I thought Unimatrix 0 was so incredibly stupid.  It may be the worst Borg episode of them all.

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