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Trelane

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 2:36 pm

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Just thought, I 'd much rather see Abrams bring Trelane in than Khan or Mudd as rumored.

How nice to see Trelane updated. ?And then make him a Q that we know he is!

If Trelane wasn't a Q in the prime timeline, how would he become one in the new timeline?

:logical:

In my humble opinion, Roddenberry based Q off of Trelane's character. ?And I know it is on-cannon, but the book Q-Squared brought this out in a way that it can easily translate onscreen.

And, Abram's can do whatever he wants. ?Orcci even said that he considers some novels as source material. ?It is never NOT said that Trelane was not Q. ?So they can make this an obvious transition. ?99.9% doubtful, yes. ?But I for one would love it. ?Squire of Gothos has always been on of my favorite TOS's.

If they hadn't taken to deleting old threads here at st.com, we could refer you to some of the past discussions about this.

The main thing that shows Trelane wasn't a Q? He needed machinery to use his powers. A Q, even a young one like Amanda Rogers, needs no machinery.

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Good observation, Starbase. Maybe Trelane could be an early form of Q, before they evolved or something. I mean it was clear that his parents were all powerful. Just a thought. ? :idea:

Before they evolved?

Only about 100 years between when Kirk met Trelane and Picard met Q...

Not likely.

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Have to disagree with you on that one, Starbase. The Q are an all powerful race of beings with god-like powers and abilities. I don't think that it would be outside the realm of possiblity that they could jump in evolution in 100 or so years.

It just doesn't wash with me.

Even for the Q that would be too much too soon.

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Didn't you read my post SB?
100years means nothing to the Q, it's 100 years in "Human terms", but for Trelane (if he was a Q) time means nothing.

The Q and the Grey took place circa 2373, here's a picture of Jr.



Here's Jr circa 2378-

Evolution for the Q wouldn't need to be linear, in fact if they wanted, it could even be instantaneous.

To simplify things, if a Q aged at the same rate as a human, he could stand in front of you as a one year old child, disappear a million years into the past and come back 10 days later as a 40year old. The laws of time don't apply to the Q.

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 3:07 pm

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Well, if we're going to use already established stuff from Star Trek, let's use some of the lesser touted things.

I'm tired of all the Khan bullshit and Borg bullshit... Romulans and Klingons and all this shit that people suggest...

Finally someone mentions something NEW but familiar enough that we oldies would be interested in too and I think it's a decent idea.

There are SO MANY things in the original series that were touched upon just enough to pique our interests but left completely alone and forgotten.. I could name no less than 10 off the top of my head.... Using these elements would not only keep it fresh and new, but the fact that it IS an OS reference would make us old fans quite content!!!

50 billion threads about Khan, the Borg and all that other beat to death bullshit, and ONE about Trelane.


Kuddos, Eddo.

QFT  :logical:

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 3:27 pm

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Wouldn't that be something they'd have to agree on as a species if they did it themselves as you suggest?


I'd think so.

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Besids, one could assume the humanoid Q that we see is only a representation created for our benefit...so their appearance and apparent age is based solely on what that particular Q wants us to see.


That's a fair point, but we could say the same about Trelane. I'd like to think that the Human form the Q choose is like a "mirror", reflecting their age,sex etc from the continuum.

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 4:23 pm

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Then please explain to me how they would cause their own evolution?


Jr was an evolutionary step for the Q, he was the first "baby" ever born into the continuum, and it happened in a "flash" so to speak.

That always bothered me.

They made a big deal about how JR. was the first baby Q born in who knows how long and how his birth was this great big deal.

But he really wasnt.

Amanda Rodgers is and was a Q birth...even if she didnt know she was.

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 4:33 pm

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Then please explain to me how they would cause their own evolution?


Jr was an evolutionary step for the Q, he was the first "baby" ever born into the continuum, and it happened in a "flash" so to speak.

That always bothered me.

They made a big deal about how JR. was the first baby Q born in who knows how long and how his birth was this great big deal.

But he really wasnt.

Amanda Rodgers is and was a Q birth...even if she didnt know she was.

I suppose the writers could say (using the logic I posted above) that Jr was born first, before Amanda, but that throws up all sorts of paradox's.
Or they could use the old "Trek Technicality" clause, lol, and say that Amanda and her parents were no longer part of the Continuum.

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Report this Feb. 11 2010, 12:08 pm

Wow, I didn't mean to start this debate again.  I just would like to see Trelane in an updated form . A very underrated charecter.

But, for the sake of the argument at hand, JJ can make whatever he wants to happen.  He can establish the fact that Trelane is a Q.  Of course he is not officially anything because Cannon doesn't say he is OR isn't.... But JJ CAN ESTABLISH cannon.  Then we can get De Lancie (all old and wrinkled now probably, lol) to reprise his role as Q and he can interact with Kirk! wow, I am dreaming aren't I.

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