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TheFounder

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Report this Feb. 07 2010, 9:55 pm

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If anybody is too blame, blame Clinton, he treated Terrorists like criminals and he was handed Bin Laden on a silver plater and he refused because he treated Laden like a criminal and not a terrorist. Maybe that might have prevented 9/11 we wont ever know. Bush kept us safe for eight years even though he spent money just like Liberals. Obama is just like Clinton.

You are 100% correct. Bush kept us safe. There was not even ONE terrorist attack during his watch. :)

So 9/11 doesn't count?

I would say that's kindof a biggie!

Now, if you're referring to OTHER attacks on US soild, then you are correct, there were none. ?But then there weren't any of those under other presidents, either.


The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993.

Yeah, and the people who did it were brought to justice, and Clinton didn't have to rely on someone else's administration to clean up his mess.

Oh, Clinton took bin Laden when the Sudanese offered him to us? That's good to know.

Yeah, because you know all the facts.

1. The Sudan government didn't offer up bin laden. Thats just a talking point falsehood you just swallowed hook line and sinker. Fact of the matter is that bin laden was offered up by a private individual and clinton has enough respect for law not to invade someone else's country on just an anonymous tip.

Are you saying that Mansoor Ijaz is lying?

Do i have too?

Well, you either think that he is lying or you don't. If he is lying, I'd like to see your evidence. If not, then we're back at square one.

PhantomCrunk007

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Report this Feb. 07 2010, 9:59 pm

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If anybody is too blame, blame Clinton, he treated Terrorists like criminals and he was handed Bin Laden on a silver plater and he refused because he treated Laden like a criminal and not a terrorist. Maybe that might have prevented 9/11 we wont ever know. Bush kept us safe for eight years even though he spent money just like Liberals. Obama is just like Clinton.

You are 100% correct. Bush kept us safe. There was not even ONE terrorist attack during his watch. :)

So 9/11 doesn't count?

I would say that's kindof a biggie!

Now, if you're referring to OTHER attacks on US soild, then you are correct, there were none. ?But then there weren't any of those under other presidents, either.


The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993.

Yeah, and the people who did it were brought to justice, and Clinton didn't have to rely on someone else's administration to clean up his mess.

Until members of the same group bombed embassies in Africa and the USS Cole.

So what? Clinton still got better results. What point are you trying to argue?


They also bombed Madrid after we invaded 2 countries. Im still lost as to what your point is?

Not only that, if bush had been competent he would have listened to the intel that Clinton handed him and the biggest terrorist attack never would have happened.

What intel did Clinton give us that would have prevented 9/11?

OMG


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html

And thats just the stuff the Bush administration released, who knows what they're still hiding?

That's old. Al Qaeda is still determined to strike within the US. Now tell me this, Tax-Boy... what intel is in that document that would have prevented 9/11 from happening?

LoL

Keep living in denial. Your ideology had 8 years to make things better. How is that going?

chr3335

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Report this Feb. 07 2010, 9:59 pm

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If anybody is too blame, blame Clinton, he treated Terrorists like criminals and he was handed Bin Laden on a silver plater and he refused because he treated Laden like a criminal and not a terrorist. Maybe that might have prevented 9/11 we wont ever know. Bush kept us safe for eight years even though he spent money just like Liberals. Obama is just like Clinton.

You are 100% correct. Bush kept us safe. There was not even ONE terrorist attack during his watch. :)

So 9/11 doesn't count?

I would say that's kindof a biggie!

Now, if you're referring to OTHER attacks on US soild, then you are correct, there were none. ?But then there weren't any of those under other presidents, either.


The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993.

Yeah, and the people who did it were brought to justice, and Clinton didn't have to rely on someone else's administration to clean up his mess.

Until members of the same group bombed embassies in Africa and the USS Cole.

So what? Clinton still got better results. What point are you trying to argue?


They also bombed Madrid after we invaded 2 countries. Im still lost as to what your point is?

Not only that, if bush had been competent he would have listened to the intel that Clinton handed him and the biggest terrorist attack never would have happened.

What intel did Clinton give us that would have prevented 9/11?

OMG


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html

And thats just the stuff the Bush administration released, who knows what they're still hiding?

So a standard warning to watch out for this guy i don't really see anything in the report that would make bin ladin top priority especially since Clinton didn't think he was important enough to grab when he had the chance.

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Report this Feb. 07 2010, 10:00 pm

Quote (PhantomCrunk007 @ Feb. 07 2010, 6:59 pm)
Quote (TheFounder @ Feb. 07 2010, 6:53 am)
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If anybody is too blame, blame Clinton, he treated Terrorists like criminals and he was handed Bin Laden on a silver plater and he refused because he treated Laden like a criminal and not a terrorist. Maybe that might have prevented 9/11 we wont ever know. Bush kept us safe for eight years even though he spent money just like Liberals. Obama is just like Clinton.

You are 100% correct. Bush kept us safe. There was not even ONE terrorist attack during his watch. :)

So 9/11 doesn't count?

I would say that's kindof a biggie!

Now, if you're referring to OTHER attacks on US soild, then you are correct, there were none. ?But then there weren't any of those under other presidents, either.


The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993.

Yeah, and the people who did it were brought to justice, and Clinton didn't have to rely on someone else's administration to clean up his mess.

Until members of the same group bombed embassies in Africa and the USS Cole.

So what? Clinton still got better results. What point are you trying to argue?


They also bombed Madrid after we invaded 2 countries. Im still lost as to what your point is?

Not only that, if bush had been competent he would have listened to the intel that Clinton handed him and the biggest terrorist attack never would have happened.

What intel did Clinton give us that would have prevented 9/11?

OMG


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html

And thats just the stuff the Bush administration released, who knows what they're still hiding?

That's old. Al Qaeda is still determined to strike within the US. Now tell me this, Tax-Boy... what intel is in that document that would have prevented 9/11 from happening?

LoL

Keep living in denial. Your ideology had 8 years to make things better. How is that going?

Since when has my ideology been in power for eight years?

Care to answer the question? What intel is in that document that could have prevented 9/11?

PhantomCrunk007

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Report this Feb. 07 2010, 10:01 pm

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Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Feb. 05 2010, 6:54 pm)
Quote (TrekFan1701E @ Feb. 05 2010, 5:45 pm)
If anybody is too blame, blame Clinton, he treated Terrorists like criminals and he was handed Bin Laden on a silver plater and he refused because he treated Laden like a criminal and not a terrorist. Maybe that might have prevented 9/11 we wont ever know. Bush kept us safe for eight years even though he spent money just like Liberals. Obama is just like Clinton.

You are 100% correct. Bush kept us safe. There was not even ONE terrorist attack during his watch. :)

So 9/11 doesn't count?

I would say that's kindof a biggie!

Now, if you're referring to OTHER attacks on US soild, then you are correct, there were none. ?But then there weren't any of those under other presidents, either.


The World Trade Center was bombed in 1993.

Yeah, and the people who did it were brought to justice, and Clinton didn't have to rely on someone else's administration to clean up his mess.

Oh, Clinton took bin Laden when the Sudanese offered him to us? That's good to know.

Yeah, because you know all the facts.

1. The Sudan government didn't offer up bin laden. Thats just a talking point falsehood you just swallowed hook line and sinker. Fact of the matter is that bin laden was offered up by a private individual and clinton has enough respect for law not to invade someone else's country on just an anonymous tip.

Are you saying that Mansoor Ijaz is lying?

Do i have too?

Well, you either think that he is lying or you don't. If he is lying, I'd like to see your evidence. If not, then we're back at square one.

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According to Ijaz, the Sudanese government offered the Clinton administration numerous opportunities to arrest bin Laden and those opportunities were met positively by Secretary of State Madeleine Albright but spurned when Susan Rice and counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke persuaded National Security Advisor Sandy Berger to overrule Albright.

Ijaz?s claims in this regard appeared in numerous Op-Ed pieces including one in the Los Angeles Times [3] and one in the Washington Post co-written with former Ambassador to Sudan Timothy Carney .[4]

Similar allegations have been made by Vanity Fair contributing editor David Rose[5] and Richard Miniter, author of Losing bin Laden, in a November 2003 interview with World.[6]

Several sources dispute Ijaz's claim, including the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks on the United States (the 9-11 Commission) which concluded in part ?Sudan's minister of defense, Fatih Erwa, has claimed that Sudan offered to hand Bin Ladin over to the United States. The Commission has found no credible evidence that this was so. Ambassador Carney had no legal basis to ask for more from the Sudanese since, at the time, there was no indictment out-standing.



I'll go with the 9-11 commission.

chr3335

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Report this Feb. 07 2010, 10:04 pm

^^^ can i get a linky to that please?

TheFounder

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Report this Feb. 07 2010, 10:07 pm

Quote (chr3335 @ Feb. 07 2010, 7:04 pm)
^^^ can i get a linky to that please?

Tax-Boy just quoted Wikipedia but he is leaving something out of his response.

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