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New Trek Movie Nominated For Four

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Feb. 02 2010, 7:51 pm

Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 02 2010, 1:33 am)
Here's a poll I set-up in TF, if anyones interested:

Which of these was the best Sci-Fi film of 2009?

Hmm...I don't want to vote now until I've seen Moon.

Although, so far it'd be District 9 for me.

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Feb. 03 2010, 6:50 am

Quote (trekbuff @ Feb. 02 2010, 2:07 am)
I said nothing any more negative about it than you.

;)

Well, apart from:

:laugh:

That's a bit more negative than I was being!

But okay, maybe 'bash' was too strong a word...although your entire post read as very negative towards the film...which, like I've said, I just find completely unfair until you've actually seen it.
If I point out the negatives in Avatar, at least I'm doing it from a position of informed opinion, having witnessed them myself.

It would be like me stating that Generations is the worst Trek film ever, just because I've heard a lot of people saying they don't like it, and I don't particularly like the sound of what happens in it...but I will obviously be reserving judgement until I've bothered to watch it.

You never know TB, you might actually be surprised ;)
I fully expected TMP to be awful after all the reviews I'd read...and look how that turned out for me :p

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Report this Feb. 03 2010, 10:10 am

Quote (Yanks @ Feb. 02 2010, 3:25 pm)
While Clint is in the discussion. Have you guys seen Gran Torino?

Stay away from my dog grandma... :laugh:

I loved Gran Torino. And if it's true that it's the last film he'll ever act in (as opposed to directing) then it was a fitting swansong for him.

...BUT...I do wonder whether the film would have been so highly regarded if it had been made by someone less revered than Clint.

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Report this Feb. 03 2010, 12:38 pm

Quote (Yanks @ Feb. 03 2010, 11:50 am)
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While Clint is in the discussion. Have you guys seen Gran Torino?

Stay away from my dog grandma... :laugh:

I loved Gran Torino. And if it's true that it's the last film he'll ever act in (as opposed to directing) then it was a fitting swansong for him.

...BUT...I do wonder whether the film would have been so highly regarded if it had been made by someone less revered than Clint.

I think you are right , he made that movie. But honestly that's the case with all his flicks. Kind of like Stalone in Rocky or the First Blood movies. Those movies were made for him.

Just loved GT though, of course I loved all the "Clint" movies.

GT was just a great film!  I really thought it was one of Clint's best.  He was totally robbed for not being nominated for director and actor for that film.  I think it was all political.  He already has two academy awards, after all.  

But GT was success with moviegoers at the box office and with the critics.

Again, I recommend Crazy Heart.  I'm rooting for Jeff Bridges and T-Bone Burnett this year for that one!

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Report this Feb. 03 2010, 4:41 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ Feb. 02 2010, 9:13 pm)
From what I've heard of Avatar, including your comments:
Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Feb. 02 2010, 5:46 pm)
Yeah, the storyline isn't that original, and the dialogue is a bit cheesy ..
.. I see no reason to spend $100.00 (two people: tickets, munchies and drinks and dinner before or after) to see it in a theatre (crowded seats, can't pause the movie, etc).

I didn't care much for the cinematography of STXI. From what I have seen of Avatar and the numerous comments from folks such as yourself, it does seem to be a CG spectacle which is no reason for such a personal expense.

STXI was very popluar. I liked most of the story. I appreciated the talent of most of the actors in their portrayals of their characters. I have to wonder how much I could possibly appreciate actors performing an unoriginal story with cheesy dialogue :)

I said nothing more negative about Avatar than did you. Here's what I said in the original post which you now call "more negative" than what you have said, now that "maybe 'bash' was too strong a word":
Quote (trekbuff @ Feb. 02 2010, 2:33 pm)
Honestly, what did Avatar have going for it? It may have been a CG spectacle, but does that really make for a good movie? I'm waiting for the DVD. What I've heard is the story is weak, more of a rehash of Dances with Wolves in space, but the movie has made over a billion dollars. Is that what folks are wanting to see from movies? Could it be that STXI wasn't spastic enough?

Michael Giacchino's score was so much of what made STXI a good movie for me that it became the narrator of the movie and kept the movie more on pace than any of the visuals.

Yes, rocketscientist, Avatar appears to have been a "spectacle." Because that seems to be all there was going for that movie is why I'm waiting for the DVD.

I haven't seen Up and don't know what it was/is about. Michael Giacchino was nominated for best original score for Up. The other nominations are Avatar, James Horner; Fantastic Mr. Fox, Alexandre Desplat; The Hurt Locker, Marco Beltrami and Buck Sanders; Sherlock Holmes, Hans Zimmer.

I haven't seen Up, Avatar, Fantastic Mr. Fox, The Hurt Locker or Sherlock Holmes, but they must have had absolutely phenomenal scores.

Evidently, "the story is weak" isn't quite the same to you as "isn't that original, and the dialogue is a bit cheesy." Now, if "the CGI isn't anywhere near the most important part of the film," I ask again, what's left? The "atmosphere" - of what, being in a theatre? The "cheesy" character dialog? I'm not going to shell out $100.00 or more to see a movie because the music was good as I can get that from the DVD on my surround sound, THX system at home. I doubt Avatar made over $1 billion because the music was that good. Incidently, my sound system merely cost me not seeing about 5 movies in a theatre.

I wasn't negative toward Avatar. I clearly said, "What I've heard .." That's enough to cause me to wait for the DVD. I'll hang with the garnered opinion that Avatar made so much money primarily because of the CGI. It's where most fingers are pointing. If I'm surprised and think Avatar is the greatest movie since Forbidden Planet (my personal favorite), I'll not regret not seeing Avatar in a theatre.

:)

Yes, but TB, the whole tone of your post was negative, whereas mine, while admitting to the shortcomings, was positive.

You said:
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Don't buy into the backlash, it's a fantastic film! Yeah, the storyline isn't that original, and the dialogue is a bit cheesy, but everything else about it is simply incredible.


Are you really trying to say that "what did it have going for it?" is the same as "well, it may not have been perfect, but it's still great" ?


At the end of the day, I don't care whether you see it at the cinema, on DVD, on TV or never...I just thought you should see it with your own eyes before you knocked it.

But, whatever...so many people seem to want to dislike this film without giving it a chance. Their loss, I guess...in my humble opinion of course.

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Report this Feb. 03 2010, 4:44 pm

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Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Feb. 02 2010, 2:42 pm)
Aw Yanks, no way! UP is absolutely fantastic! Just because it's a cartoon and marketed by Disney, it's so much more than just a 'depressing cartoon'. I think Wall-E is far superior to it, but it's still amazing.

And District 9 is probably the film that impressed me the most last year, for trying to do something a bit different with the 'alien invasion' genre, and managing it all on a relatively small budget. Also having a script that was almost totally improvised.

Totally agree. ?Up was far from depressing. ?It did get a little silly towards the end with the villian character, which is why it won't win best picture IMO.

And, though I hate to admit it, District 9 grabbed me and held my attention from beginning to end, which is something I can't honestly say about St XI.

BTW, I think it got a nom for its script.

I stopped watching after the first 5 mins because it was shot documentary style I don't like that. Whereas Trek XI made me buy the movie on BluRay and watch it again. It was even better the second time around.

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Report this Feb. 03 2010, 5:31 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ Feb. 02 2010, 11:21 pm)
Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Feb. 03 2010, 4:41 pm)
Are you really trying to say that "what did it have going for it?" is the same as "well, it may not have been perfect, but it's still great"?
That's not what was said by either of us. Do I really have to requote everything?

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Feb. 03 2010, 4:41 pm)
At the end of the day, I don't care whether you see it at the cinema, on DVD, on TV or never...I just thought you should see it with your own eyes before you knocked it.

But, whatever...so many people seem to want to dislike this film without giving it a chance. Their loss, I guess...in my humble opinion of course.

I've only said why I don't have an uncontrollable urge to see Avatar in a theatre. Going by what others, including you, have said about the movie, I made a decision to wait for the DVD. How did I, personally, knock the movie? How did I say I dislike the movie?

:)

TB, with all due respect, they were almost your exact words. You said "Honestly, what did Avatar have going for it?"

:laugh:

Look, maybe I misinterpreted the tone of your post. Or maybe I'm just a big James Cameron fangirl who wants everyone to experience this movie ;)

I'd still love to read your review if you ever do see it!

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Report this Feb. 03 2010, 6:33 pm

Quote (Yanks @ Feb. 03 2010, 2:25 pm)
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Does anyone find it interesting that, while Invictus has got nods for the actors, they've ignored Clint?!

I hadn't spotted that. At his age, I doubt it bothers Clint too much.

I swear, the man has directed how many movies this past decade, and he makes it look so easy.

Oh, I'm sure he doesn't care...I just thought the Academy would have wanted to honour him.

Then again, maybe they think he's won enough times already! :laugh:

And yeah, he does make it look easy, and even at 79 he's showing no signs of quitting.

...although I've heard mixed/negative reviews on Invictus. Has anyone seen it yet?

While Clint is in the discussion. Have you guys seen Gran Torino?

Stay away from my dog grandma... :laugh:

"Grrrr! Get of my lawn!" :laugh:

OAP Harry Calahan, but it was an excellent film, both directing and acting for Clint. He just makes it look so easy.

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Report this Feb. 03 2010, 6:43 pm

I was really hoping for an Adapted Screenplay nom. I dreamt of a best motion picture nom. But am not surprised by STXI getting the more "technical" nominations.

Of the other ten best picture:
"Up" was good, had alot of emotional highs and lows. I liked Wall-E better though.
"District 9" was great, very original. I enjoyed some of the shoot-out scenes because it gave a glimpse of what a "Halo" movie could have been.
Haven't seen any of the others but really want to see Ingloreous Basterds, The Hurt Locker and Avatar. But won't see Avatar in theatres, will have to rent.

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