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chr3335

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 8:02 am

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I believe that in a few years down the road, when now-classified documents are available to the public, Bush's reputation will be further tarnished.

Bah Bush will always be hated because he won in 2000.

Bush did not "win." ? Gore pansied out and didn't continue fighting for a proper count of Florida. ? Putting aside all the problems with the election in Florida (Bush supporters like Katherine Harris purging mostly African-American voters from being legally able to vote for example), the Supreme Court turned around and illegally demanded an end to the recount while they decided what happened, followed up by illegally demanding that Florida declare a victor by a date that they could no longer finish the recount by since the recount had been stopped. ?

I didn't hate Bush because of the election. ? ?I didn't vote for Gore either and didn't expect my guy to actually get elected. ? ?(I voted for David McReynolds.) ?I did start hating Bush with his actions. ? He spoke during the 2000 campaign about how America needed to stop playing policeman to the world and how we needed to repair our international relations. ? ? ? ? However, he made things worse. ? He then used the attacks of 9/11 as an excuse to involve us in not one, but two disastrous wars.

I don't believe he is an evil man, but can certainly see why some on the left would paint him as such. ? ? ?He is, as Commander-in-Chief, responsible for the deaths of all the soldiers and even worse, all the Afghani and Iraqi civilians. ? That is why he disgusts me. ? ?

For the record, Obama is now getting almost as much hatred from me as Bush. ? He may not have gotten my vote, but I had been a little hopeful that Obama would actually deliver on some of his promises. ? ?He may have never promised getting us out of Afghanistan but considering he got elected on a very anti-war vibe, you can see how his surge in Afghanistan has hurt him a lot with his base.

There were at least three recounts and Bush still won all of them. ?You can't keep recounting till you get the result you want.

There was never a manual recount and there was never a state-wide recount, despite Florida law requiring one. ¿There was a lot of hi-jinx with machines and thousands of votes were thrown out in the more liberal areas of the state. ¿ ¿

According to this article in the Washington Post,

Gore would have won a state-wide recount.

Be that as it may Gore only wanted to recount three counties.

chr3335

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 8:03 am

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I believe that in a few years down the road, when now-classified documents are available to the public, Bush's reputation will be further tarnished.

Bah Bush will always be hated because he won in 2000.

Some do hate him for that, it's true.

But when the truth about illegally torturing POWs, illegally wiretapping American citizens and illegally holding prisoners without any kind of counsel or trial all come out...game over for any kind of positive legacy, except among his most ferociously right-wing supporters.

And they would support him even if he took a crap on the White House lawn and wiped his butt with the US constitution (literally, not figuratively, like he already has)

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illegally wiretapping American citizens
He never tappped any American citizens and he use used a system that was created by Democrat jimmy carter and has been used ever since it only became a bad thing when he started using it.

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And they would support him even if he took a crap on the White House lawn and wiped his butt with the US constitution (literally, not figuratively, like he already has)
?And do pray tell what his constitutional violations were. ?All I saw was the horrible stimulus of the Big Three and his signing Campaign finance reform into law

POWs is a poor use of the word when you are referring to terrorists. ¿ With a war against a country, the war has an end eventually and it is clear if a person is a soldier usually (the uniform is a good sign).

The alleged terrorists are scooped up by the government's "War on Terror," imprisoned and tortured with no hope of ever leaving or getting a court case because the war on terror can never have an ending. ¿ ¿There is no government to surrender. ¿ ¿If we capture Bin Laden (which the government doesn't want since it likes having a boogey-man like Goldstein from 1984), another figure-head will replace him.

The use of torture through legal loopholes is insane.

Regarding his non-constitutional actions, he did one that, unfortunately, several Presidents have done: started a war. ¿ ¿The President does not have the power, constitutionally to declare wars. ¿ ¿ ¿This was supposed to limit the power of the president, but apparently conservatives like strong national governments when it comes to using it to declare wars on countries that are not a threat to us.

Bah congress authorized it so it isn't illegal

chr3335

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 10:28 am

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The number of "FAIL" is more than all other categories combined.

:laugh:

Of course we had members of this board as part of the lets kill Bush crowd.

Nuadha

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 11:04 am

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The number of "FAIL" is more than all other categories combined.

:laugh:

Of course we had members of this board as part of the lets kill Bush crowd.

Of course we have.   We've also had the let's kill Obama crowd.    Let's ignore them and get on with conversation.    Anyone like that is not worth listening to.

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 11:12 am

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I believe that in a few years down the road, when now-classified documents are available to the public, Bush's reputation will be further tarnished.

Bah Bush will always be hated because he won in 2000.

Bush did not "win." ? Gore pansied out and didn't continue fighting for a proper count of Florida. ? Putting aside all the problems with the election in Florida (Bush supporters like Katherine Harris purging mostly African-American voters from being legally able to vote for example), the Supreme Court turned around and illegally demanded an end to the recount while they decided what happened, followed up by illegally demanding that Florida declare a victor by a date that they could no longer finish the recount by since the recount had been stopped. ?

I didn't hate Bush because of the election. ? ?I didn't vote for Gore either and didn't expect my guy to actually get elected. ? ?(I voted for David McReynolds.) ?I did start hating Bush with his actions. ? He spoke during the 2000 campaign about how America needed to stop playing policeman to the world and how we needed to repair our international relations. ? ? ? ? However, he made things worse. ? He then used the attacks of 9/11 as an excuse to involve us in not one, but two disastrous wars.

I don't believe he is an evil man, but can certainly see why some on the left would paint him as such. ? ? ?He is, as Commander-in-Chief, responsible for the deaths of all the soldiers and even worse, all the Afghani and Iraqi civilians. ? That is why he disgusts me. ? ?

For the record, Obama is now getting almost as much hatred from me as Bush. ? He may not have gotten my vote, but I had been a little hopeful that Obama would actually deliver on some of his promises. ? ?He may have never promised getting us out of Afghanistan but considering he got elected on a very anti-war vibe, you can see how his surge in Afghanistan has hurt him a lot with his base.

There were at least three recounts and Bush still won all of them. ¿You can't keep recounting till you get the result you want.

junior gore tryed to stop the vote;s of service people over seas from being counted.

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 11:31 am

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I look at it like this... Star Trek fans are a more intelligent group than the average bear.... ¿ & it shows.

:D

Explain my position then.

:laugh:

I must be the exception that proves the rule.

chr3335

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 12:36 pm

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The number of "FAIL" is more than all other categories combined.

:laugh:

Of course we had members of this board as part of the lets kill Bush crowd.

Of course we have. ¿ We've also had the let's kill Obama crowd. ¿ ¿Let's ignore them and get on with conversation. ¿ ¿Anyone like that is not worth listening to.

On here where?

chr3335

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 2:15 pm

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Bush Jr. was our worst President ever. In his 8 year term, I can think of nothing his administration did that benefited our country. Nothing. The one and only thing he did do that I was for was inviting the Dalai Lama to the White House, snubbing China.

I read a few posts in this thread commending him on defense. Please, 9/11 happened on HIS watch. The previous administration gave him all the info on Bin Laden and Al Queda, and he chose to ignore that, and the memo entitiled "Al Queda determined to strike inside the United States." Total and complete failure.

War criminals.....Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Rice, and the rest.....

Yes he gets a vague warning saying hey these guys may attack no more than that. and yet it was policies set up by Clinton that prevented the intelligence from getting to those that needed it from those that had it. Why should Bush have taken it seriously if Clinton didn't think AQ was enough of a threat to capture Bin ladin when he had the chance.

LoL still believing that tripe?

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At a July 5, 2001 White House gathering of the FAA, the Coast Guard, the FBI, Secret Service and INS, Clarke stated that "Something really spectacular is going to happen here, and it's going to happen soon." Donald Kerrick, a three-star general who was a deputy National Security Advisor in the late Clinton administration and stayed on into the Bush administration, wrote Hadley a classified two-page memo stating that the NSA needed to "pay attention to Al-Qaida and counterterrorism" and that the U.S. would be "struck again." As a result of writing that memo, he was not invited to any more meetings.

On August 6, 2001, Clarke finally delivered a Daily Briefing Memo to President Bush entitled "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States", five weeks before the attacks. It featured information about ongoing Al-Qaeda activities within the United States, signs of a terror support network, indications of hijacking preparations and plans for domestic attacks using explosives


yeah the bold part was really vague especially considering the FBI knew 2 of the terrorists were already in the country being investigated.

People wanting to learn how to fly but not land... Very vague. I shudder to think that you work with a nuclear reactor and what you would consider competence.

Okay so Clinton knew about these guys AND STILL DIDN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THEM only to leave some warnings to the next guy.  If Clinton was so worried about terrorist why didn't he do anything to improve security after the 93 World trade center bombing?  How did he improve after the Oklahoma City bombing?  Why did he let Bin Ladin go if he though he was such a threat?  He said himself he almost got Bin Ladin but let him go

Corwin88

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Report this Feb. 10 2010, 3:22 pm

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I look at it like this... Star Trek fans are a more intelligent group than the average bear.... ? & it shows.

:D

Explain my position then.

:laugh:

I must be the exception that proves the rule.

Something to do with a colored beverage?

:laugh:

Yes beer makes me smarter than you all.  Buwhahahahahaha!

:laugh:  :laugh:

Tureaz'47

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Report this Jul. 30 2010, 3:44 pm

The after effects of "Bush-mania" seem to be lingering. They need a good clean out in the Senate. Time to leave the old and outdated ideas of failure and time to embrace constructive Government.

It's strange, being a catalyst for things that move outside.

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Report this Jul. 31 2010, 12:36 am

The worst president ever.

He defended us against nothing. Yeah, he really lived up to his promise to get the people responsible for 9/11 didnt he?/ oh yeah.. Bin Ladin is in Afghanistan... GW attacked .. Iraq. I feel safe now.

No child left behind. SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND. give bailouts to his buddies.

and.. I don't think his popularity even reached 40%.. yet he managed to get elected?

Not to mention he is quite possibly one of the worst public speakers I have had the misfortune to be exposed to.

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Report this Jul. 31 2010, 1:16 am

Quote: Kornula @ Jul. 31 2010, 12:36 am

The worst president ever. He defended us against nothing. Yeah, he really lived up to his promise to get the people responsible for 9/11 didnt he?/ oh yeah.. Bin Ladin is in Afghanistan... GW attacked .. Iraq. I feel safe now. No child left behind. SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND. give bailouts to his buddies. and.. I don't think his popularity even reached 40%.. yet he managed to get elected? Not to mention he is quite possibly one of the worst public speakers I have had the misfortune to be exposed to.


Wow! Someone not in denial.

It's strange, being a catalyst for things that move outside.

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Report this Jul. 31 2010, 10:03 pm

He's underrated, but underrated doesn't mean good.

Basicly, he's not satan incarnate like some would have you believe. He actually had a few decent successes over the course of his presidency. However, he had more than his share of failures as well.

I hate to call him above average, but after reviewing the idiots that have been our presidents over the course of the nation, that's exactly where I need to put him.

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