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What was more revolutionary?

wellthatwasawaste

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 7:00 pm

I am a tech nerd when it comes to scifi so wanted to get some opinions on this.

TOS used optical effects and models on strings.
Star Wars pretty much introduced Motion Control tech.
Avatar is the apex of all current digital effects tech and 3D filming tech.

Just want your opinions on which has had the most important contribution to scifi tv/film. Realizing this is a very broad question I respect all input. Could be a very interseting converstation. Thanks for all positive input.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 7:22 pm

If we believe the Hype Avatar is the future of movies TV and Games, so it has to win.
Personally I've always looked at Terminator 2 as the movie that changed everything.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 7:28 pm

Indeed Terminator 2 did start to perfect the digital character performance, the T1000. However, we must remember the prototype for the T1000 was the water probe in The Abyss. Yet another Cameron film. If you can't already tell, I have a man crush on Cameron. Terminator, Aliens, Abyss, Terminator 2...need I say more.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 8:01 pm

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All three used state of the art special effects for the times when they were made.

If you really want to be fair in such a poll representing every decade of special effects include things like Fritz Langs' Metropolis, Merian C. Cooper's King Kong, Ernest B. Schoedsack's Dr. Cyclops and Fred M. Wilcox Fobiddn Planet

Your not a real nerd unless you know these things.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 8:07 pm

Forbiden Planet is a good shout JM1ICEMAN :)

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 8:09 pm

No need to get rude dude. Just thought those 3 represented the ones that had the most cultural significance. I love Forbidden Planet as a mater of fact, just didnt think it belonged in this poll. As far as Metropolis goes, I think its overated as far as a technical achievment. I KNOW I'll get hammered for that comment, but all it was was a bunch of models and guys in suits and makeup. I'll go with it though, it is very significant now that I think about it. Just wanted to stick with the big 3. I could make a poll of 30 movies, but this was just simpler.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 8:36 pm

The first Star Wars film revolutionized the USE of special effects in movies. It showed that a huge, f/x laden sci-fi adventure could be an audience-pleasing blockbuster. There would have been no Trek movies without Star Wars, at least not in the mode we saw them in. I think that fact makes Star Wars the biggest contribution to FX and sci-fi filmmaking in history.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 8:42 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ Jan. 25 2010, 1:36 am)
The first Star Wars film revolutionized the USE of special effects in movies. It showed that a huge, f/x laden sci-fi adventure could be an audience-pleasing blockbuster. There would have been no Trek movies without Star Wars, at least not in the mode we saw them in. I think that fact makes Star Wars the biggest contribution to FX and sci-fi filmmaking in history.

No arguments about how grand Star Wars was, but 2001 could say the same thing about sci-fi FX.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 8:54 pm

Quote (captbates @ Jan. 25 2010, 8:42 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ Jan. 25 2010, 1:36 am)
The first Star Wars film revolutionized the USE of special effects in movies. It showed that a huge, f/x laden sci-fi adventure could be an audience-pleasing blockbuster. There would have been no Trek movies without Star Wars, at least not in the mode we saw them in. I think that fact makes Star Wars the biggest contribution to FX and sci-fi filmmaking in history.

No arguments about how grand Star Wars was, but 2001 could say the same thing about sci-fi FX.

2001 is my favorite sci-fi movie of all-time...and one of my favorite MOVIES of all time, but I don't think it was anything approaching a "blockbuster" like Star Wars was.

That was my point in why Star Wars was revolutionary. I wasn't commenting necessarily to the quality and innovation of the f/x alone, because 2001 was awesome as was T2 and (I'm sure) Avatar...but more to the fact that it was a filmmaking revolution that changed the way studios and audiences looked at the value of the big-budget FX action movie.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 8:56 pm

I really think Avatar has set a new standard for phot realistic special effects.

wellthatwasawaste

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 9:09 pm

Good God, Jim!!! I am stupid. I didn't put 2001 on the poll. Huge mistake. I am a fraud. Woops.

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Report this Jan. 26 2010, 2:28 am

Definitely Avatar...

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Report this Jan. 26 2010, 6:03 am

Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Jan. 25 2010, 1:28 am)
Indeed Terminator 2 did start to perfect the digital character performance, the T1000. However, we must remember the prototype for the T1000 was the water probe in The Abyss. Yet another Cameron film. If you can't already tell, I have a man crush on Cameron. Terminator, Aliens, Abyss, Terminator 2...need I say more.

Cameron has done so much to revolutionise technology in the movies IMO...and of all his films, I'd say that The Abyss (while not the best film overall) was the most groundbreaking.

Not only for the water tentacle effect, which, like you say, was used to even greater effect afterwards in T2...but also for the sheer scale of the underwater scenes, where he had a dedicated tank custom made just to film in (and that same tank has now been used by lots of other films...Titanic for one, and didn't A Perfect Storm shoot there too? )

I guess it's ironic though that my fave Cameron film will always be Aliens, where his advancements in technology possibly weren't as significant...but it's the best story he's done. It makes me wonder if sometimes, he writes the story to fit the technology, instead of the technology servicing the tale being told (which is probably how it should be).

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Report this Jan. 26 2010, 6:07 am

Quote (Vger23 @ Jan. 25 2010, 2:54 am)
That was my point in why Star Wars was revolutionary. I wasn't commenting necessarily to the quality and innovation of the f/x alone, because 2001 was awesome as was T2 and (I'm sure) Avatar...but more to the fact that it was a filmmaking revolution that changed the way studios and audiences looked at the value of the big-budget FX action movie.

I agree that the impact of Star Wars was more cultural than technological. What Star Wars did, IMO, was to open 'space' films up to the masses...it made it 'cool' to like sci-fi (not that Star Wars is sci-fi in the truest sense, but...)

The Star Wars films are still the only sci-fi/fantasy films that regularly top polls of the 'greatest films of all time', right alongside more 'classic' offerings like The Shawshank Redemption and The Godfather.

Of course, the LOTR films have kind of done the same for fantasy/fairytale films more recently.

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Report this Jan. 26 2010, 6:10 am

And sorry...just to add one more thing...I fully expected The Matrix to have had a greater impact on the film world than it has. The first time I saw The Matrix, I truly felt like I was seeing something completely brand new (I wasn't familiar with wushu films back then) and I was excited to see where the technology was taken next. Unfortunately it seems to be rather specific with the kind of tales it can be used for, and hasn't been utilised on as big a scale as I was expecting.

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