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stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 5:44 pm

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"These are the Voyages" was the finale of the series where was that shown to be taking place ?

Answer the Holodeck of a 24th century starship.

So all of the series was shown to be a holoprogram.


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You dont see how you just failed do you????

"These are the Voyages" was shown to be a historical holo program of Archers final mission being watched on the Holodeck of a 24th century starship........

But no where in that episode does it indicate thay every mission was a hologram.

As a matter of fact, TATV indicates that the program being watched was the first one Riker and Troi ever watched.

For the entire series to have been a holo-program it would have to be the last Riker watched.

Which would mean he would have had to watch over 98 installments of the series durring the events of the TNG episoide "The Pegasus".

Which is not possible.

So your argument fails once again.

So all of the series was shown to be a holoprogram.

You are incorrect Riker was unaware of the Holoprogram until it was given to him by the ship's counselor .

It was never revealed how the series came to be we do not know if all ships had it or it was created on the Ent D.

But we do know it was a Holoprogram on the Ent D because it was shown.

:logical:

Sorry but your argument fails you again.

The only thing that was shown was that TATV was a hologram.

Nothing in that episode stated the entire series was a hologram.

Enterprise the series was shown to be on the holodeck of a 24th century Starship the series ended with the phrase "Computer end program" there was no next episode.




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Nope sorry.

The episode TATV was shown to be on the holodeck of a 24th century Starship.

Not every episode of the series.

For it to mean every episode in the series was a holo program each episode would have needed to end with the phrase "Computer end program".

But only one episode ended with that phrase....so only one episode was a program.


:logical:

Care to try your luck at failure again???

It was the last show of the series that revealed the series to be a holoprogram Watch it.


:logical:

It was the last show of the series that revealed only the events in that episode to be a holoprogram.

Watch it.

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 5:58 pm

Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 23 2010, 5:47 pm)

If it was not the series finale and had TNG opening I might agree .

But it is canon that Enterprise was a holoprogram on the Ent D


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What opening it had was/is irrelevent.

Other shows/series with cross over characters dont use the openings or endings of the other shows.

It is canon that the "Enterprise" episode "TATV" was a holoprogram on the Ent D..........not the entire series.


:logical:

And you fail again.

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 6:02 pm

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If it was not the series finale and had TNG opening I might agree .

But it is canon that Enterprise was a holoprogram on the Ent D


:logical:

What opening it had was/is irrelevent.

Other shows/series with cross over characters dont use the openings or endings of the other shows.

It is canon that the "Enterprise" episode "TATV" was a holoprogram on the Ent D..........not the entire series.


:logical:

And you fail again.

Of course it was it was an Enterprise Finale with the title "These are the Voyages " that showed itself to be taking place on a holodeck.

If it was a TNG episode then it could have had a different meaning


:logical:

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 6:03 pm

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If it was not the series finale and had TNG opening I might agree .

But it is canon that Enterprise was a holoprogram on the Ent D


:logical:

What opening it had was/is irrelevent.

Other shows/series with cross over characters dont use the openings or endings of the other shows.

It is canon that the "Enterprise" episode "TATV" was a holoprogram on the Ent D..........not the entire series.


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And you fail again.

His argument doesn't make sense anyways.. if the TNG opening means the whole show was a holoprogram, then EVERY opening should have been the TNG one.. He just shot himself in the foot, I'm afraid.

Exactly.

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 6:09 pm

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If it was not the series finale and had TNG opening I might agree .

But it is canon that Enterprise was a holoprogram on the Ent D


:logical:

What opening it had was/is irrelevent.

Other shows/series with cross over characters dont use the openings or endings of the other shows.

It is canon that the "Enterprise" episode "TATV" was a holoprogram on the Ent D..........not the entire series.


:logical:

And you fail again.

Of course it was it was an Enterprise Finale with the title "These are the Voyages " that showed itself to be taking place on a holodeck.

If it was a TNG episode then it could have had a different meaning


:logical:

That made no sence at all.

Again, Riker and Troi being in the episode is no different then any other show with cross over characters.

If the entire series was a hologram, then either each episode needed to end with the line "computer end program" or Riker would have had to watch the entire series from begining to end.

Otherwise nothing you have said makes any logical sence.

:logical:

Now you got it.

The only real people in TATV were Riker and Troi TNG characters.
The only real ship was the D.

Everyone else was a holoprojection.....in TATV.

Thanks for agreeing.

:logical:

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Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 6:12 pm

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If it was not the series finale and had TNG opening I might agree .

But it is canon that Enterprise was a holoprogram on the Ent D


:logical:

What opening it had was/is irrelevent.

Other shows/series with cross over characters dont use the openings or endings of the other shows.

It is canon that the "Enterprise" episode "TATV" was a holoprogram on the Ent D..........not the entire series.


:logical:

And you fail again.

Of course it was it was an Enterprise Finale with the title "These are the Voyages " that showed itself to be taking place on a holodeck.

If it was a TNG episode then it could have had a different meaning


:logical:

That made no sence at all.

Again, Riker and Troi being in the episode is no different then any other show with cross over characters.

If the entire series was a hologram, then either each episode needed to end with the line "computer end program" or Riker would have had to watch the entire series from begining to end.

Otherwise nothing you have said makes any logical sence.

:logical:


Now you got it.

The only real people in TATV were Riker and Troi TNG characters.
The only real ship was the D.

Everyone else was a holoprojection.....in TATV.

Thanks for agreeing.

:logical:

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Yes the entire series Enterprise happened in a Holodeck .

Glad you figured it out




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stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 6:17 pm

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Yes the entire series Enterprise happened in a Holodeck .

Glad you figured it out




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Man you even fail at trying to twist things.

So far you havent provided one onuce of evidence that even remotely points to the idea that the entire series was a holo-program.

Even you just admited that TATV was a program....nothing more.

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 6:20 pm

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Yes the entire series Enterprise happened in a Holodeck .

Glad you figured it out




:logical:

Man you even fail at trying to twist things.

So far you havent provided one onuce of evidence that even remotely points to the idea that the entire series was a holo-program.

Even you just admited that TATV was a program....nothing more.

The series finale the big reveal
The Valentine to fans of Star Trek.


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stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 6:23 pm

Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 23 2010, 6:20 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Jan. 23 2010, 6:17 pm)
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Yes the entire series Enterprise happened in a Holodeck .

Glad you figured it out




:logical:

Man you even fail at trying to twist things.

So far you havent provided one onuce of evidence that even remotely points to the idea that the entire series was a holo-program.

Even you just admited that TATV was a program....nothing more.

The series finale the big reveal
The Valentine to fans of Star Trek.


:logical:

I asked you to explain what you mean by "valantine"...so far you haven't.

And the only reveal was that , THAT EPISODE" was a hoiloprogram.

Nothing in that episode proves the entire series was a holo-program.

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Report this Jan. 24 2010, 5:05 pm

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Yes the entire series Enterprise happened in a Holodeck .

Glad you figured it out




:logical:

Man you even fail at trying to twist things.

So far you havent provided one onuce of evidence that even remotely points to the idea that the entire series was a holo-program.

Even you just admited that TATV was a program....nothing more.

The series finale the big reveal
The Valentine to fans of Star Trek.


:logical:

I asked you to explain what you mean by "valantine"...so far you haven't.

And the only reveal was that , THAT EPISODE" was a hoiloprogram.

Nothing in that episode proves the entire series was a holo-program.

Another point that TrekTroll fails to comprehend is that the NX-01 herself was said to be in the Fleet Museum.

Now, the Troll always argues against this fact based on (little more) than the fact that Troi was a little vague about the details. But the fact is Riker asked Troi if she had visited it. It must therefore be there to be visited.

Memory Alpha, which the Troll considers a source of canon info also confirms this.

Furthermore, to quote M.A's comment on TATV:
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"In hopes of receiving some help before making a difficult personal decision, Commander William T. Riker of the Enterprise-D observes a holodeck simulation of the final mission of the original Enterprise, as commanded by Jonathan Archer, in the days immediately preceding the birth of the Federation over two centuries earlier


Of course, TrekTroll will disagree as he lives in his own little world.

Thanks for the info.

Eddogegr3

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Report this Jan. 28 2010, 3:36 pm

Wow, this is a stupid argument.  In my mind, trek ended with DS9.  I have seen about 4 episodes of ENT and I could tell you that only the last episode was Holo and it was meant "based on reality".  I suppose one can argue that it wasn't word for word.  Kind of hard to imagine that they reproduced ever word correctly from realy life to a story.  So MAYBE there were small changes.  But overall, the essence of that show happened.

What is important here, however, is that this show killed Star Trek Prime.

Thank You Braga.  Please don't end 24 now.

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Report this Jan. 28 2010, 5:55 pm

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Um, that's a pretty broad statement, Rad...

Not all hardcore ENT fans think all other Trek sucks...

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This is true, i only think TNG sucked.

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