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Roddenberry to Berman to Orci/etc.

drellan

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 6:18 pm

Obviously Star Trek has begun to make its rounds through different "handlers".

From Gene Roddenberry to Rick Berman and now to Orci and gang.  How long do you think Orci and gang will have their hands on Star Trek?  

Does anyone think it'll die with Orci once he's finished with Trek (or booted from it) or will someone else pick up the torch?  If someone does pickup the torch once Orci and gang is done, who has the potential to be next?

After Orci and gang, do you think that Trek will continue to focus Kirk/Spock or go back to the prime timeline (post TNG years)?

drellan

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 6:32 pm

Quote (anderbilt @ Jan. 20 2010, 6:25 pm)
Trek is never going back to the PRIME timeline. ?I think that's pretty clear now. ?

The whole franchise is balanced precariously on the pinpoint singular fulcrum of "Star Trek (2009)" and whether or not a sequel will happen. ?I'm not at all certain that it will. ? ?But every item of new Trek now is routed to that one portal.

Can't help but hope. Trek was thought to be dead once, but was brought back beginning with TMP. I know that Trek's not necessarily dead with this Trek XI monstrasity (did I spell that right?), but never-the-less I hope that there will be a pesky popularity of TNG "style" Trek that will lead to its survival.

drellan

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 6:39 pm

Quote (anderbilt @ Jan. 20 2010, 6:34 pm)
there's still fan film and novels for TNG fans. ¿i can't see the studio taking it up again as a serious commercial undertaking.

Of course that's why I'm wondering about the ratings (see my other post). If (and I admit that I don't know), the ratings began to raise, then...who wouldn't want to make it a commercial undertaking?

drellan

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 6:55 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ Jan. 20 2010, 6:40 pm)
To begin with, it went from Roddenberry, to Berman, then to Berman and Braga (mostly Braga), to Coto, then back to Braga who practically buried Trek with TATV and now it's all Abrams. Ron Moore is somewhere in the mix with DS9.

I'm a firm believer that both Paramount and CBS are totally, "Show me the money!"

As Enterprise failed to show them the money and STXI was a Trek money-rake, if there is any Trek TV series in the next decade, it will be based on the STXI, reboot universe. It could also be that the success of STXI was due to hungry Trek fans seeing the movie multiple times, other Trek fans and a relatively smaller percentage of the uninitiated. STXII will be the deciding factor for the future of Trek productions for any screen.

Thanks for the clarification on the Trek "handlers". I'm curious, who should get more credit? Abrams the director/producer or orci/kurtzman as the writers? I don't really know myself...just a thought.

Anyway, I certainly believe Paramount and CBS are about the money too...it is a business.

I admit that Trek XI certainly brought in the $$. However, I have believed that this was at least due to fans simply wanting anything named Star Trek. I also believe that many viewers were first time Trek viewers - it was successfully marketed as "cool" and for the non-fan. But, I do not believe this new Trek will have the ability to retain new fans nor satisfy old fans.

My prediction is that the next Trek will bottom out and be a Trek flop...this new trek is simply too shallow to maintain real interest.

drellan

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 7:02 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ Jan. 20 2010, 6:48 pm)
Quote (drellan @ Jan. 20 2010, 6:32 pm)
Quote (anderbilt @ Jan. 20 2010, 6:25 pm)
Trek is never going back to the PRIME timeline. ?I think that's pretty clear now. ?

The whole franchise is balanced precariously on the pinpoint singular fulcrum of "Star Trek (2009)" and whether or not a sequel will happen. ?I'm not at all certain that it will. ? ?But every item of new Trek now is routed to that one portal.

Can't help but hope. Trek was thought to be dead once, but was brought back beginning with TMP. I know that Trek's not necessarily dead with this Trek XI monstrasity (did I spell that right?), but never-the-less I hope that there will be a pesky popularity of TNG "style" Trek that will lead to its survival.

What you are calling TNG "style" Trek began to fade after season five of that series - Braga. That "style" began with ST(TOS). Enterprise was the best chance to get back to it, but failed to deliver just enough that it ended up being cancelled.

I'm stumped as to why TPTB seem to keep trying to reinvent the friggin' wheel. ST(TOS) still has a huge following and, thanks to even STXI, folks like MrsStarbuck are becoming fans of that quintessential series upon which the entire saga is based.

I always felt TNG kept up its quality all the way through season seven. I think that continuing intensity is what even led to TNG movies to begin with (even though some of the movies didn't live up to the show's quality).

I admit that DS9 and VOY are disappointments, but certainly had their moments. TNG is the model to follow.

Perhaps I should, but I apologize, I do not know the meaning of your acronym TPTB - please clarify.

I do like TOS. For me, I enjoy a storyline that flows continually through time...and evolves through time. Just like the founding fathers of our country, Kirk and crew are now a part of history. I can only speak for myself - I hope others out there desire what I do - continue with the Prime timeline. I'd like to see a close to the 24th century in Star Trek and the dawn of the 25th century.

drellan

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 7:05 pm

I'm not a fan of Star Trek having done a prequal series with "Enterprise", but I have found I quite enjoy it. I also appreciate that it does a good job of keeping with canon.

I think what ultimately hurt Enterprise was poor time slots on TV, other strong scifi shows going on at the same time, and the awful, overly drawn out Xindi/timeline story.

The cast was the best since TNG and had potential to make movies themselves.

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 10:14 pm

Quote (drellan @ Jan. 20 2010, 6:32 pm)
Quote (anderbilt @ Jan. 20 2010, 6:25 pm)
Trek is never going back to the PRIME timeline. ?I think that's pretty clear now. ?

The whole franchise is balanced precariously on the pinpoint singular fulcrum of "Star Trek (2009)" and whether or not a sequel will happen. ?I'm not at all certain that it will. ? ?But every item of new Trek now is routed to that one portal.

Can't help but hope. Trek was thought to be dead once, but was brought back beginning with TMP. I know that Trek's not necessarily dead with this Trek XI monstrasity (did I spell that right?), but never-the-less I hope that there will be a pesky popularity of TNG "style" Trek that will lead to its survival.

What you call a "monstrosity" Paramount called a success.

They have no reason to fall back on a failed concept.

And truth be told, thats what most of the TNG films turned out as.

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 21 2010, 3:21 am

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ Jan. 20 2010, 10:22 pm)
Actually they weren't failed concepts. They were movies made for a very specific market.

They could have been more successful if they were done differently, but they weren't so no point in crying over it. They wont do TNG ¿movies because thats not what people want to see these days.

And I would describe any product that was made for a very specific market, and wasnt very successful in that market, a failed concept.

And I know that many Trekies enjoyed the films, but I have encountered just as many that did not.

The way I see it, if close to half of the target market wasnt pleased with the product....it failed.

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 21 2010, 9:41 am

Some claim TATV is a lost TNG episode.

It is not it opened and closed with Enterprise credits thus making it the big reveal that Enterprise was a Holoprogram.


:logical:

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 21 2010, 9:44 am

Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:42 am)
Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:41 am)
Some claim TATV is a lost TNG episode.

It is not it opened and closed with Enterprise credits thus making it the big reveal that Enterprise was a Holoprogram.


:logical:

Aw crap...


Too late...

:eyesroll:

:logical:

Never to late for canon facts to be told





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Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 21 2010, 9:46 am

More wisdom shared by the old man.


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stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 21 2010, 12:35 pm

Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:44 am)
Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:42 am)
Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:41 am)
Some claim TATV is a lost TNG episode.

It is not it opened and closed with Enterprise credits thus making it the big reveal that Enterprise was a Holoprogram.


:logical:

Aw crap...


Too late...

:eyesroll:

:logical:

Never to late for canon facts to be told





:logical:

And yet, every time you try this argument it fails.

Seems to me your not speaking "facts" at all.

Narada

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Report this Jan. 21 2010, 2:14 pm

On the subject of Roddenberry to Berman etc I believe they all carried the torch and vision of Gene Roddenberry. It is also true there are so many people along the way who helped to accomplish this vision from cast and crew on to upper management. There is no doubt Star Trek went through changes through the years but I thought that was an important part of the development and diversification for this franchise. Now there are over 5 series to choose from and over 11 movies which makes for a wide range of good Star Trek. Not all fans agree on their favorite type of Star Trek but I value all of it as part with the entire vision. I am looking forward to where this franchise is headed and hope it will successfully continue through the years.

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 22 2010, 10:16 am

Quote (stovokor2000 @ Jan. 21 2010, 12:35 pm)
Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:44 am)
Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:42 am)
Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:41 am)
Some claim TATV is a lost TNG episode.

It is not it opened and closed with Enterprise credits thus making it the big reveal that Enterprise was a Holoprogram.


:logical:

Aw crap...


Too late...

:eyesroll:

:logical:

Never to late for canon facts to be told





:logical:

And yet, every time you try this argument it fails.

Seems to me your not speaking "facts" at all.

Watch the episode it is clear that Riker and Troi are watching and interacting with a Holoprogram.


:logical:

Trekwolf164

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Report this Jan. 22 2010, 11:11 am

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 21 2010, 12:12 pm)
Quote (trekbuff @ Jan. 21 2010, 8:38 am)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 21 2010, 9:22 am)
I need to watch the series front to back. I've watched TATV apart from the rest and a couple others, but I don't feel qualified to make too many claims. I just know I didn't feel all pissy and I certainly wasn't lead to believe the entire series was a holoprogram based on the events in TATV. ?

...for what it's worth. And good morning, kind Sir!

And a good morning to you, oh wild sage.

Simply consider the episode itself.

TATV didn't p me off near as much as the series getting cancelled. I simply wondered why they seemed to cram six years of the Trek timeline into one episode. It was a mish-mash of stories seeming to have nothing to do with each other. What did Archer helping Shran to get his daughter back and Archer's speech we never heard have to do with whether or not Riker told Picard about the secret prototype for a cloaking device?

Say your boss's boss tells your boss to do something. Your boss tells you to do it. You do an excellent job. Your boss's boss sees the finished product of your work and your boss takes the credit. I imagine that's how the cast of ENT felt - why was Riker and Troi necessary for their series finale?

To me it was simply a weird episode and truly was a slight to the cast of ENT.

I wasn't saying you were being pissy, just for clarification. I just see others pissy about something that isn't even fact.. starbase touched on it slightly ¿:laugh:

Yeah, I can see where they felt slighted with the Riker & Troi bit... and that it was a weird episode. I just get irritated at the "Enterprise was a holoprogram" crap.

Enterprise canon irritates you :question:



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