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I really dislike Star Trek XI

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 19 2010, 2:46 pm

Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:41 pm)
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You may chose to disregard "Enterprise" from canon but others do not......and theres really no reason to.

Its time you except that truth


So tell me, when the Ferengi showed up in the first season of Enterprise and it was in direct conflict with TNG's first contact with Ferengi...did you disregard TNG or Enterprise?

I addressed this yesterday, the first timer you brought it up.....or did you somehow forget already???

The Fergi were never named.

So theres no reason to disregard either.

Archer and crew never learned the name of their race.

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 19 2010, 2:50 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:41 pm)
Obviously there would be some parts of Vulcan knowledge that would be essential to the Romulans...biology, history...but anything to do with Surak and the Vulcan Reformation would not be something the Romulans would care to dwell on or pass on to their children.

And yet the evidence suggest that some did.

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The Pilgrims left England and everything associated with it to start a new life here on this side of the Atlantic...but they still brought their knowledge and religious beliefs with them...

:logical:


Which kind of proves my point.

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Report this Jan. 19 2010, 2:54 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:41 pm)> id="QUOTE">:logical:
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 1:44 pm)

Well, in Farpoint I took it that they were aware of the Ferengi but have never actually made contact which was stressed in Last Outpost.

In Last Outpost Data called them Yankee Traders but information on a computer is not the same as contact.


I am turning into one of those Trek fans that people laugh at, arguing inconsistencies in a fictional universe that is full of inconsistencies.

It's a little fun and alot frustrating.

I quit.

Enterprise is canon and everybody loved it even when it conflicts with earlier series. Star Trek XI makes perfect sense. ¿:eyesroll:

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Report this Jan. 19 2010, 3:10 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:54 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 1:44 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:41 pm)> id="QUOTE">:logical:
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:02 pm)

Well, in Farpoint I took it that they were aware of the Ferengi but have never actually made contact which was stressed in Last Outpost.

In Last Outpost Data called them Yankee Traders but information on a computer is not the same as contact.


I am turning into one of those Trek fans that people laugh at, arguing inconsistencies in a fictional universe that is full of inconsistencies.

It's a little fun and alot frustrating.

I quit.

Enterprise is canon and everybody loved it even when it conflicts with earlier series. Star Trek XI makes perfect sense. ?:eyesroll:

Apparently Picard must have known enough about the Ferengi to know Zorn dealing with them instead of the Federation would be a bad thing.

And Garak...every Trek series conflicts with each other at times...ENT certainly wasn't the only one that it ever happened with.

And ST:XI does make perfect sense...when you remember it exists in it's own reality separate from all other Trek.

:logical:
The last sentence:

Enterprise is canon and everybody loved it even when it conflicts with earlier series. Star Trek XI makes perfect sense. ?:eyesroll:

was sarcastic.

I know Star Trek XI made no sense (Cadet to first officer in 30 minutes...LOL) and as far as Picards reaction to dealing with the Ferengi in Farpoint.

- They had information on the Ferengi and that could justify Picards reaction.
- People fear what they do not understand, Picards reaction based on limited information fits here.

There is also this option:

They had not yet decided (during Farpoint) how they wanted to approach the Ferengi situation. They had it ironed out long before the first season of Enterprise though and Enterprise should have respected that. Especially considering how bad the episode sucked, was it really worth introducing an inconsistency for such a worthless episode?

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 19 2010, 3:31 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 1:44 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:41 pm)> id="QUOTE">:logical:
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:54 pm)

Well, in Farpoint I took it that they were aware of the Ferengi but have never actually made contact which was stressed in Last Outpost.

In Last Outpost Data called them Yankee Traders but information on a computer is not the same as contact.


I am turning into one of those Trek fans that people laugh at, arguing inconsistencies in a fictional universe that is full of inconsistencies.

It's a little fun and alot frustrating.

I quit.

Enterprise is canon and everybody loved it even when it conflicts with earlier series. Star Trek XI makes perfect sense. ?:eyesroll:
You dont have to quite.

We can have a differene of opinions.

stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 19 2010, 3:34 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 3:00 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:50 pm)
Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:41 pm)
Obviously there would be some parts of Vulcan knowledge that would be essential to the Romulans...biology, history...but anything to do with Surak and the Vulcan Reformation would not be something the Romulans would care to dwell on or pass on to their children.

And yet the evidence suggest that some did.

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The Pilgrims left England and everything associated with it to start a new life here on this side of the Atlantic...but they still brought their knowledge and religious beliefs with them...

:logical:


Which kind of proves my point.

Now you never heard the Romulans Spock associated with saying anything about wanting to hook back up with the Vulcans because they wanted to follow the ways of Surak, only that they wanted to reconnect with their true homeworld and their brethren on Vulcan, right?

Proves my point as well.

:logical:

It doesnt prove your point because I never suggested that either the Romulans or the Remens wanted to learn Suraks teachings.

All I said was that they obviously held on to some of the knowlidge and maybe a language from Vulcan.

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Report this Jan. 19 2010, 3:36 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:02 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:54 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 1:44 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:41 pm)> id="QUOTE">:logical:
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 3:10 pm)

Well, in Farpoint I took it that they were aware of the Ferengi but have never actually made contact which was stressed in Last Outpost.

In Last Outpost Data called them Yankee Traders but information on a computer is not the same as contact.


I am turning into one of those Trek fans that people laugh at, arguing inconsistencies in a fictional universe that is full of inconsistencies.

It's a little fun and alot frustrating.

I quit.

Enterprise is canon and everybody loved it even when it conflicts with earlier series. Star Trek XI makes perfect sense. ?:eyesroll:
Apparently Picard must have known enough about the Ferengi to know Zorn dealing with them instead of the Federation would be a bad thing.

And Garak...every Trek series conflicts with each other at times...ENT certainly wasn't the only one that it ever happened with.

And ST:XI does make perfect sense...when you remember it exists in it's own reality separate from all other Trek.

:logical:
The last sentence:

Enterprise is canon and everybody loved it even when it conflicts with earlier series. Star Trek XI makes perfect sense. ?:eyesroll:

was sarcastic.

I know Star Trek XI made no sense (Cadet to first officer in 30 minutes...LOL) and as far as Picards reaction to dealing with the Ferengi in Farpoint.

- They had information on the Ferengi and that could justify Picards reaction.
- People fear what they do not understand, Picards reaction based on limited information fits here.

There is also this option:

They had not yet decided (during Farpoint) how they wanted to approach the Ferengi situation. They had it ironed out long before the first season of Enterprise though and Enterprise should have respected that. Especially considering how bad the episode sucked, was it really worth introducing an inconsistency for such a worthless episode?
And again....no inconstancy was introduced because of that episode.

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Report this Jan. 19 2010, 3:37 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:54 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 19 2010, 1:44 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Garak_3473 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:41 pm)> id="QUOTE">:logical:
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (stovokor2000 @ Jan. 19 2010, 2:31 pm)

Well, in Farpoint I took it that they were aware of the Ferengi but have never actually made contact which was stressed in Last Outpost.

In Last Outpost Data called them Yankee Traders but information on a computer is not the same as contact.


I am turning into one of those Trek fans that people laugh at, arguing inconsistencies in a fictional universe that is full of inconsistencies.

It's a little fun and alot frustrating.

I quit.

Enterprise is canon and everybody loved it even when it conflicts with earlier series. Star Trek XI makes perfect sense. ?:eyesroll:
You dont have to quite.

We can have a differene of opinions.
It's hard to quit but in the interest of my own sanity, I don't want argue inconsistencies in a tv show, especially one that I love like Trek.

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