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fooledagain

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 12:28 pm

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As we all can see i'm really not all that impressed with the film simply because it's best of the worst and the worst of the best TREK films. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate or love the film... I like it and thats about all really.

It's still a 7.5 out of 10 on my list.

I'll add more later.....

Wouldn't that mean it should rate a solid 5 out of 10? I agree with most of your opinion. My biggest gripe is that it is a "remake" and I don't care for ReKirk. His back story was pretty weak and cliche and I definitely don't buy him as captain of the Enterprise.

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 12:48 pm

Quote (fooledagain @ Jan. 16 2010, 12:28 pm)
Wouldn't that mean it should rate a solid 5 out of 10?

Not at all.  As a movie he gives it a 7.5/10, but he may not feel that the worst Trek movie is a 0/10 however.  My worst Trek movie ranking is a 3/10 personally, not 0/10.

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 4:16 pm

Can you tell me about this 'bad directing and careless errors' in TFF? I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this...

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 4:17 pm

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Wouldn't that mean it should rate a solid 5 out of 10?

Not at all. ?As a movie he gives it a 7.5/10, but he may not feel that the worst Trek movie is a 0/10 however. ?My worst Trek movie ranking is a 3/10 personally, not 0/10.

The worst TREK movie IMO ?is TFF aka TREK V: The final frontier and I give it a 5/10.

As for some of the other movies:

TMP 9.75/10
TWOK 7.75/10
TSFS 6.5/10
TVH 9.5/10
TUC 9.5/
GEN 6/10
FC 9/10
INS 8/10

For me personally there hasn't been a terrible TREK movie yet.

:logical:

What about Nemesis? :laugh:

It is by no means the best ST film, but it would be in the top tier of them. I have my problems with it, like everyone else. Nero isn't a great villian. Like Bax said, he's just had a bad day at work. The Bridge just has too many people on it, plus it could've been scaled down in size. The only good thing to come out of Engineering is probably Engine Room Hooch, I mean with all that distillery equipment in there...

The Enterprise has grown on me, but the Warp Nacelles are just daft looking. And I think her Engineering Section is too streamlined. The Saucer is fine with me, probably because it's an almost carbon copy of the Refit Enterprise.

The cast were mostly fine, but there is something about this Uhura that just doesn't sit well with me. She just doesn't remind me of Original Uhura. She just seems to *ahem* emotional. I really like Yelchin though. The guy is just full of youthful exuberance that makes me laugh. And after my fourth viewing, Simon Pegg is starting to grow on me.

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 5:27 pm

Well you are right, there's a lot of reading there, but 95% of the above are nit picks and I can't be bothered with that sh1t because either I am in the movie or out of it and only a couple of things look fake to me and anyway none of that has to do with Direction, but more to do with writing and the material itself.

Now we all know there are some very ham-fisted things in this film and most of them have to do with the minor majors (eg Uhura, Scotty, Chekov and Sulu). Bill being wanted to give them all their moments in the sun (like they get in the other movies), but he and his writers just used the other characters as comic relief in this film, it sticks out like dogs whatsies and that makes me uncomfortable, like Scotty hitting his head or Uhura's ill-advised 'fan-dance' . Conversly the three main characters and the guest star get all the good stuff in this film and there actually is a lot of good stuff, but you have to get past the atrocious special effects and cringeworthy stuff to get to it.

I actually think the Direction of this film is really rather good, but the material and the production are sketchy.

And yes 79 Floors is just silly :laugh:

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 7:23 pm

Thus proving that "life is but a dream"

Further to my STV kick at the moment. I hadn't noticed before, but Leonard Nimoy (as Spock) is actually playing the Vulcan Lyre in the final scene of 'The Final Frontier', that's awesomely :cool: :cool: :cool:

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 11:42 pm

Ok, here it is. I'm an old fan. I started watching this stuff as a boy in the 80's. TNG was first then DS9. When i got older i discovered the powerful performances, charming special effects, and genuine character relationships of TOS. To this day, its my favorite series. Then, as time went on, voyager ended its run and the powers that be decided they needed to re-invent the wheel to draw in new, younger audiences. Enter Captain Archer and the crew of the NX-01. I was one of those misguided fans that boycotted enterprise, saying it just didn't feel like Star Trek. Well, i wasn't alone. ENT was promptly cancelled and we were left with nothing (I later decided to give ENT a chance and discovered it's full of original series crossovers, further explores some early races, and even answers some questions). Also around that time the franchise had some new competition with the release of the new Star Wars prequels and the popular sci-fi series' Stargate and Battlestar Galactica. Then some more time passed and I started hearing about J. J. Abrams making a new Star Trek movie and an MMO game called Star Trek Online. I was (as i believe most oldschool fans were) both excited and skeptical. Regardless of my doubts I HAD to see the new movie.
Honestly, i'm still torn about it. The special effects were visually stunning and I liked the notion that the characters don't necessarily have to forever be linked to the actors, but once again it kinda didn't feel like Star Trek. It reminded me of the Lost in Space remake in the 90's. It was eye candy for a tasteless adolescent audience that didn't give two shits about the original Lost in Space with its antiquated 60's props, costumes, and limited budget. Still, like Star Trek, it was pioneering science fiction in its day and managed to capture our imaginations.
The new movie isn't terrible. It's actually pretty cool. It's not like any Star Trek movie i've ever seen, but that's ok. The plot's kinda ridiculous, but that's nothing new to a Star Trek fan.. Leonard Nimoy's in it and it gives closure to how Spock dies. The guy that played Bones sounded like he was doing an impression of DeForrest Kelley (he probably would've liked it). I didn't like how they did Chekov at all. The Academy was a nice touch, we've never seen much of academy life in the other series'. One thing is, you always hear these gripes about how there isn't enough action in Star Trek. It's all drama and romance. I mean this movie takes it way over the top. It's kinda ridiculous. Star Trek succeeded the way it was for several generations. This movie's like an epilepsy test. Whatever, i'll get behind it because i think it's the future of the franchise, but if they took it down a notch and fixed a few things it could be phenomenal and could pave the way for new Star Trek adventures for years to come.

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Report this Jan. 17 2010, 1:49 am

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¿ ¿* Why can't the spacedock beam up the three officers (and Sulu and Chekov too) if the transporters of the Enterprise are offline? Only because of Scott's vanity?

It was always my understanding that transporters [of that era] only worked when a ship was over the coordinates [spelling]

So I'm guessing for the space dock to be able to beam them up they would have to be in obit above near buy.

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  * The "Vulcan neck pinch" earned its name because it is always applied to the neck of a humanoid. This must have a physiological reason, and it should be the same or corresponding spot on all mammals. When he paralyzes the horse, however, Spock grabs the top of its head and not the neck.


Thats not exactly right.

Spock grabed thew horse just behind its left ear.

Andthats the base of its head and the start of its neck.

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   * Spock's traumatic memory is his birth. Those Vulcans must have amazing memory because I don't remember what my birth looked like.


That may have been Spocks "perception" of what he birth may have been like.

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Report this Jan. 17 2010, 1:59 am

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Later, when he is transported to The Nexus, the combadge is back on,


¿

Its heaven.

Anything your missing comes back to you.

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Data finds Spot in the debris of the cargo bay which is highly unlikely if Spot was in Data?s quarters.


Spot has been known to get free in the past.

Also its possible all room doors are opened durring evac situations.
 
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Picard is injured when he fights Soran (he gets a cut along his nose.) When he arrives in The Nexus, the injury is healed.


Again, its heaven.

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Report this Jan. 17 2010, 10:55 am

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Star Trek succeeded the way it was for several generations.

No it didn't, that's why they had to reboot it. ;)

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Report this Jan. 17 2010, 11:10 am

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Actually it was doing quite well BEFORE the reboot.

It hasn't done quite well since "First Contact!"  But I was also partially being facetious too.

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Report this Jan. 17 2010, 11:21 am

Hmmm...

TWOK 9.5/10
TSFS 9/10
TMP 8.5/10
XI 8.5/10
FC 8/10
TFF 7.5/10
TUC 7.5/10
NEM 7/10
TVH 6.5/10
GEN 6/10
INS 4/10

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 9:12 am

What the?

VAD_BAXTER rates TMP higher than Khan? ¿I mean, hey, to each their own and it's not the worst movie I've seen (or the worst SF of '79, The Black Hole takes that prize home), but The Motionless Picture better than Khan?

I'd like to know more about how you came to that. ¿(also why you rank Insurrection so high which is, I confess, the first Star Trek movie I saw in theatre that almost put me to sleep)

Come to that, I don't particularly like any of the Next Gen movies.



The only really, really big gripe I have about the new Star Trek is the cinematography. ¿If I thought they'd use it, I'd buy them a steadicam rig myself. ¿Out of my own pocket. ¿There's way too many jittery and weird angles, and a little grace would have gone a long way. ¿Having watched it a couple of times now, there are some very odd choices of camera use that are just jarring. ¿Sparer use of the wandering cam would have made it a more effective narrative tool.



Edit:  Wait, what?  Nemesis 9.5?

I hope that's ironic!

I've seen the whole thing.  Not all in one sitting though, bits and pieces over the span of a few years.  I tried once to get all the way through.  Once.  I'd rather endure home eye surgery.

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 10:10 am

Don't make me start nit picking contrived scenes in Trek movies. I guess let's start with Data being given an order that violates his ethical programming so he goes crazy? His advanced positronic brain can't handle that? Did Dr. Soong really miss that one that badly? Wow!

In Nemesis when the Enterprise E encounters b-4 on a pre warp civilization inhabited planet they just take a shuttle down without scanning for life forms around? I mean remember TNG's Who Watches The Watchers and the great steps they took to attempt to hold the prime directive high. So an experienced crew all of the sudden detects a positronic reading and throws the prime directive out the door? I suppose that Picard and crew are assuming the positronic reading must not be native to the planet and may be freaking the natives as they scan.

I am too tired to go on. I leave these 2 to pick.

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 10:20 am

Actually yes I do occasionally branch off to other sci fi movies. But never really stray from that genre. Maybe I should one day any good suggestions? How about a good adventure movie with at least 3 movies made?

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