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Which Trek Universe Will CBS Do

SLagonia

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Report this Jan. 23 2010, 12:19 am

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This is how Trek will complete the cycle. XII will be a weak derivative of "Balance of Terror" combined with Berman's idea that introduces Dr. Abramstein's "extreme" caricature of Khan played by Edward James Olmos.

No didn't you hear that SLagonia's is making the next Trek series - Star Trek: Cardinal? Basically Voyager meets the new BSG. :laugh:

Ok, I guess I can see where the BSG reference comes from, but Voyager? ?How?

It could be your use of a couple of Voyager's characters, like Sabrina and Naomi Wildman.

Also talk on your site about a reunion episode.

Well, Voyager was the last series (in the timeline, I'm not forgetting Enterprise, but they're the first in timeline), so it makes sense that the hold-over should be from Voyager. ?It's hard to compare this show to Voyager - I mean, it's a whole different approach.

VOY was the last series, but ST:NEM is set post-VOY, as evidenced by Janeway's promotion...

Holdovers? As a guest appearance, sure, but there's really no one from VOY I'd want to see as a continuing character in a new series...except maybe The Doctor.

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Well, any time you continue a series like this you should always have a hold-over character.  It helps hook the returning viewers and give everyone someone with an established backstory to pull for as the series begins.  Kinda like O'Brien in DS9.

Said character doesn't need to be the star, nor does he or she need need to have been a major character - In fact it works better if they weren't a major character before, since those characters are already at the end of their archs.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 12:06 pm

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Whatever new series they do, if it's in the prime timeline, it should be as "clean" a start as possible, let the viewers get to know the new faces without making them feel they've missed something with a returning character, because then you'll get the complaints of the new series being "weighed down by canon."

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Well, there's a huge problem I have with people who say that; If you don't like to write within canon, then you shouldn't be writing for Star Trek.  Canon can be a great aid in the writing process or it can be a hiderence.  It's cost is as high as its benifits, but just like some people can write great romance but terrible sci-fi, some people are more able to act within the confines of an existing universe than others.  

So long as you find somebody who can use canon to their advantage, then nothing gets weighed down by canon - In fact, the interconectivity, deep backstories and multi-generational feel can really help the show if in the right hands.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 12:11 pm

The issue of staying within canon is not only the writers or their ability to do so. It is also an issue with fans accepting something canon mistake or change. There is also an issue with new fans who feel intimidated or overwhelmed by a long back story or many years of fictional history.

I appreciate either approach here but I can relate with a new fan who cannot acclimate to a long history to appreciate the story. This is a reason I have not started watching some other shows. Writers can stay within canon but if the story relies on much back story it can lose relevance for new viewers. And if a writer makes an error or change the whole work may be rejected by fans.

So I prefer a balanced approach to the writing for Star Trek.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 12:16 pm

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The issue of staying within canon is not only the writers or their ability to do so. It is also an issue with fans accepting something canon mistake or change. There is also an issue with new fans who feel intimidated or overwhelmed by a long back story or many years of fictional history.

I appreciate either approach here but I can relate with a new fan who cannot acclimate to a long history to appreciate the story. This is a reason I have not started watching some other shows. Writers can stay within canon but if the story relies on much back story it can lose relevance for new viewers. And if a writer makes an error or change the whole work may be rejected by fans.

So I prefer a balanced approach to the writing for Star Trek.

Well, there is a way to balance it out.

Basicly, you need to create your own universe inside the existing one - Something where you can watch most weeks without needing to see all of the Trek that came before it, but with enough allusions that the Trek fans will feel special for having realized the connection.  

Basicly, take it about 25 years into the future where things are different enough to be obvious, and put it in an area of space we haven't seen much of.  We won't be constantly running into old characters, and because the circumstances are so different, anything that might contradict what we've seen can easily be explained within the episode.  Every so often, when appropriate, allude to earlier shows and give it a sense of connectivity that Trek fans will enjoy, but keep it mostly on its own island.

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 12:20 pm

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The issue of staying within canon is not only the writers or their ability to do so. It is also an issue with fans accepting something canon mistake or change. There is also an issue with new fans who feel intimidated or overwhelmed by a long back story or many years of fictional history.

I appreciate either approach here but I can relate with a new fan who cannot acclimate to a long history to appreciate the story. This is a reason I have not started watching some other shows. Writers can stay within canon but if the story relies on much back story it can lose relevance for new viewers. And if a writer makes an error or change the whole work may be rejected by fans.

So I prefer a balanced approach to the writing for Star Trek.

Well, there is a way to balance it out.

Basicly, you need to create your own universe inside the existing one - Something where you can watch most weeks without needing to see all of the Trek that came before it, but with enough allusions that the Trek fans will feel special for having realized the connection. ¿

Basicly, take it about 25 years into the future where things are different enough to be obvious, and put it in an area of space we haven't seen much of. ¿We won't be constantly running into old characters, and because the circumstances are so different, anything that might contradict what we've seen can easily be explained within the episode. ¿Every so often, when appropriate, allude to earlier shows and give it a sense of connectivity that Trek fans will enjoy, but keep it mostly on its own island.

That is a good method and one they took with the Star Trek shows. I agree it is an effective way to balance the presentation for the show. Also it needs to attract previous fans and new fans just like the movie. So if they choose to do a prime or alternate time line I hope they learn from Enterprise and the new movie. Either approach can work and whatever they choose I hope they can accomplish the goal.

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