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The Problems of Remastering

captbates

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Report this Jan. 08 2010, 2:42 pm

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I have heard this several times myself, and I believe it to be true.

DS9's "Trials and Tribbleations" episode is included as an extra on the TOS Season 2 BluRay set. It looks pretty bad. I'd assume that is the best they could do with it.

It won't stop me from watching them, though...

If Trials and Tribbleations is an extra on the BD it will simply be a standard def transfer straight to Blu-Ray, possibly not even scaled up for the disk.

I don't know that for a fact, but it's very unlikely that they would have done anything with it.

It was upscaled for blu-ray and actually looks worse than the DVD version.

Depends on the TV lots of people have HD ¿TV's that don't support full HD quality.

I really don't like the way some go on about how things look worse for any number of reasons they can find.

I watch my DVD's on an 80 inch "True" HD ¿TV ¿and it doesn't look bad at all.

People need to go through and check their connections to make sure they are set to manufacture's specifications. It makes a big difference.

The DVD box sets have excellent picture quality, but fall short of the Blu-Ray version.
The problem with up scalling can be when your source (DVD player) up-scales and sends the data to the TV which also up-scales, the picture can suffer a great deal.

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Report this Jan. 08 2010, 8:15 pm

Quote (VAD_BAXTER @ Jan. 07 2010, 11:52 pm)
Quote (DS9TREK @ Jan. 07 2010, 1:02 pm)
Quote (captbates @ Jan. 05 2010, 12:22 am)
Quote (Vger23 @ Jan. 03 2010, 11:59 pm)
I have heard this several times myself, and I believe it to be true.

DS9's "Trials and Tribbleations" episode is included as an extra on the TOS Season 2 BluRay set. It looks pretty bad. I'd assume that is the best they could do with it.

It won't stop me from watching them, though...

If Trials and Tribbleations is an extra on the BD it will simply be a standard def transfer straight to Blu-Ray, possibly not even scaled up for the disk.

I don't know that for a fact, but it's very unlikely that they would have done anything with it.

It was upscaled for blu-ray and actually looks worse than the DVD version.

Depends on the TV lots of people have HD ?TV's that don't support full HD quality.

I really don't like the way some go on about how things look worse for any number of reasons they can find.

I watch my DVD's on an 80 inch "True" HD ?TV ?and it doesn't look bad at all.

People need to go through and check their connections to make sure they are set to manufacture's specifications. It makes a big difference.

Trust me it's nothing to do with the TV. For some reason the upscaled blu-ray version of Trials and Tribble-ations just looks really properly bad. How they screwed it up I don't know but screw it up they did.

Chakotay78

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Report this Jan. 12 2010, 8:54 pm

It's not a matter of "if" Star Trek will be remastered, but "when".

When it comes to the actual process there are a number of ways to do this and the "upscaling" thingy? I can't say I know if that's the method of choice, but I do know that amateurs try to use the upscale method and they always seem to fail.

It all comes down to pixels... If you have very small image and try to enlarge it, it becomes a blur. Then you try to compensate by adding effects or possibly enlarge it by using a step by step enlargement and put effects in between steps instead. No, really... I think the company will have a much better solution.

They have the original materials and the capability to capture the video in a much larger scale into the computer to begin with and THEN add the alterations/the cleanup. In other words, they have the means to digitalize the video into HD measurements to begin with. You all seem to think that they're using existing DVD's as starting point...

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Report this Jan. 12 2010, 11:24 pm

Quote (Chakotay78 @ Jan. 13 2010, 1:54 am)
It's not a matter of "if" Star Trek will be remastered, but "when".

When it comes to the actual process there are a number of ways to do this and the "upscaling" thingy? I can't say I know if that's the method of choice, but I do know that amateurs try to use the upscale method and they always seem to fail.

It all comes down to pixels... If you have very small image and try to enlarge it, it becomes a blur. Then you try to compensate by adding effects or possibly enlarge it by using a step by step enlargement and put effects in between steps instead. No, really... I think the company will have a much better solution.

They have the original materials and the capability to capture the video in a much larger scale into the computer to begin with and THEN add the alterations/the cleanup. In other words, they have the means to digitalize the video into HD measurements to begin with. You all seem to think that they're using existing DVD's as starting point...

I don't think you understand, after each days filming was complete on TNG, DS9 & VOY the footage was transferred from the original 35mm film to videotape for post-production. Those videotapes have been used as the master copies ever since. And you won't in a million years get a HD image from those as the HD quality of film was lost on transfer to videotape.

If the original 35mm footage still exists in the Paramount vault and it's all in good nick they can transfer it all over and put the 526 episodes of TNG, DS9 & VOY back into post-production, basically they'd redo them as if filming just ended. And that would be real HD.

If the 35mm is gone upscaling is the only option open. And that's a waste of time, cos as has been mentioned, we can do that ourselves at home with the DVDs. Upscaling is just a fancy way of hiding all the pixelation from over stretching a low definition image and any old blu-ray player can do that to a DVD.

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