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Chakotay- Star Treks BEST First Officer ?

DammitJim6200

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Report this Jan. 04 2010, 6:31 pm

Chakotay was unlike the rest of the First Officers we've seen in Star Trek movies and TV shows, for one thing he was a deep spiritual thinker, a strong leader and
he was never afraid to disagree with Janeway if he felt she was wrong and he never hesitate to take action, I believe he and the crew mutined once or twice when Janeway was wrong about saving Voyager,
shows his commitment to saving Voyager,
That's real bold,
As an Executive Officer Chakotay can be a friend like he is to B'Elanna Torres, he joke sometimes but he expect all under him to do their job..
Is Commander Chakotay the best First Officer we've seen in Star Trek ?

exodus201

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Report this Jan. 04 2010, 7:39 pm

While I like Chakotay as a person, I think he sucked at being a First Officer.

He's the one that's supposed to be closer to the crew than Janeway but he never seemed to care about anybody. ¿Whenever someone was in crisis, it was Janeway not Chakotay by their side.

¿He didn't discipline the crew but ONCE.......7 years!

¿Janeway went on more away missions than him...............and the Captain isn't supposed to leave the ship in dangerous situations!!! ¿Janeway went after the Borg like what 3x, with her best pilot, Security officer, only Doctor and Chakotay just allowed her to go. ¿He didn't even try to be a hero or show he had balls with a "No Capt., I'll go instead!!" ¿ ¿Nope, it was Better You Dead Than Me Because I'm a Coward and Don't Deserve to Wear This Uniform!"

Kira nor Riker would ever allow Picard or Sisko to off and face any danger or leave their respective posts. ¿Riker wouldn't allow it & if Kira couldn't stop Sisko, she go with him to watch his back.
Chakotay had bad diplomatic skills too. Most of his solutions were the opposite of Janeway which usually meant shoot first and ask questions later. ¿Chakotay never would have gotten use thru Borg space nor made semi-allies with the Hirogen. ¿The only time he was right was in "Equinox" but the crew would have been long dead by that point under his command.

No, Chakotay was a poor first officer.

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Report this Jan. 04 2010, 7:53 pm

1. Spock
2. Riker
3. Kira
4. Chakotay/T'Pol

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Jan. 04 2010, 8:09 pm

Poor Chakotay! He just gets no love! :laugh:

Anyway, I voted 'adequate' because I haven't really seen enough of him in action yet to make a properly informed decision...but he sure as heck didn't so anything in series 1 to live up to my favourite First Officer, Spock.

He's still cute though ;)

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Report this Jan. 04 2010, 8:21 pm

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Jan. 04 2010, 1:09 am)
Poor Chakotay! He just gets no love! :laugh:

Anyway, I voted 'adequate' because I haven't really seen enough of him in action yet to make a properly informed decision...but he sure as heck didn't so anything in series 1 to live up to my favourite First Officer, Spock.

He's still cute though ;)

This is the problem with Chakotay, he's basically just there to make Janeway look good. He had the potential to be a great FO, but in VOY the Captain is the show.  ;)

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Report this Jan. 04 2010, 9:58 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ Jan. 03 2010, 8:39 pm)
While I like Chakotay as a person, I think he sucked at being a First Officer.

He's the one that's supposed to be closer to the crew than Janeway but he never seemed to care about anybody. ?Whenever someone was in crisis, it was Janeway not Chakotay by their side.

?He didn't discipline the crew but ONCE.......7 years!

?Janeway went on more away missions than him...............and the Captain isn't supposed to leave the ship in dangerous situations!!! ?Janeway went after the Borg like what 3x, with her best pilot, Security officer, only Doctor and Chakotay just allowed her to go. ?He didn't even try to be a hero or show he had balls with a "No Capt., I'll go instead!!" ? ?Nope, it was Better You Dead Than Me Because I'm a Coward and Don't Deserve to Wear This Uniform!"

Kira nor Riker would ever allow Picard or Sisko to off and face any danger or leave their respective posts. ?Riker wouldn't allow it & if Kira couldn't stop Sisko, she go with him to watch his back.
Chakotay had bad diplomatic skills too. Most of his solutions were the opposite of Janeway which usually meant shoot first and ask questions later. ?Chakotay never would have gotten use thru Borg space nor made semi-allies with the Hirogen. ?The only time he was right was in "Equinox" but the crew would have been long dead by that point under his command.

No, Chakotay was a poor first officer.

Yeah but you gotta remember, Janeway was putting the ship in danger, by going after the Equinox, it really wouldn't had made a difference after the Equinox captain destroyed his ship..

And believe me NO first Officer could had stop Janeway from beaming down if she wanted to, she was too strong willed.

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 12:50 am

"he was a deep spiritual thinker, a strong leader and he was never afraid to disagree with Janeway if he felt she was wrong and he never hesitate to take action, I believe he and the crew mutined once or twice when Janeway was wrong about saving Voyager"

honestly, replace a few pronouns and that describes kira to the letter.

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 4:13 am

I think that Chakotay was the best First Officer in Star Trek.

At least until they screwed up the character in the later seasons. Before that, he was great.

Quote
And believe me NO first Officer could had stop Janeway from beaming down if she wanted to, she was too strong willed.


That's the truth.

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 5:54 am

Quote (captbates @ Jan. 04 2010, 7:53 pm)
1. Spock
2. Riker
3. Kira
4. Chakotay/T'Pol

Indeed! Good list

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 6:29 am

Chakotay = A very poor man's Riker


1. Riker
2. Spock
3. Kira
4. Chakotay

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 7:10 am

don't get me wrong i like riker but given the choice i prefere chakotay.

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 7:25 am

Just out of interest, what qualities do you all consider essential to make a good First Officer then?

Since I consider Spock to be the best First Officer I've seen so far, what I like about him is:

- That he is a constant pillar of support for Kirk. Kirk can always rely on him in a crisis, and can trust him completely (unless there are extenuating circumstances, like in The Menagerie)

- That he would be willing to risk his own life to save his Captain (as seen in many episodes, eg. the Apple, when he steps in front of the spores to save Kirk)

- That he also performs a vital function as part of the ship's crew (he's also science officer. Conversely, I'm not sure what Chakotay 'also' does)


Considering all of my points, I think that Tuvok would have made a better FO than Chakotay.

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 7:37 am

I consider Chakotay is above average. I like him more than most Voyager fans but his score is not so bad for this poll. I do consider Tuvok like a most trusted officer even though Chakotay is a good 1st Officer.

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 8:16 am

Quote (Narada @ Jan. 05 2010, 1:37 pm)
I consider Chakotay is above average. I like him more than most Voyager fans but his score is not so bad for this poll. I do consider Tuvok like a most trusted officer even though Chakotay is a good 1st Officer.

couldn't have put it better.

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 8:54 am

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Jan. 04 2010, 9:58 pm)
Quote (exodus201 @ Jan. 03 2010, 8:39 pm)
While I like Chakotay as a person, I think he sucked at being a First Officer.

He's the one that's supposed to be closer to the crew than Janeway but he never seemed to care about anybody. ?Whenever someone was in crisis, it was Janeway not Chakotay by their side.

?He didn't discipline the crew but ONCE.......7 years!

?Janeway went on more away missions than him...............and the Captain isn't supposed to leave the ship in dangerous situations!!! ?Janeway went after the Borg like what 3x, with her best pilot, Security officer, only Doctor and Chakotay just allowed her to go. ?He didn't even try to be a hero or show he had balls with a "No Capt., I'll go instead!!" ? ?Nope, it was Better You Dead Than Me Because I'm a Coward and Don't Deserve to Wear This Uniform!"

Kira nor Riker would ever allow Picard or Sisko to off and face any danger or leave their respective posts. ?Riker wouldn't allow it & if Kira couldn't stop Sisko, she go with him to watch his back.
Chakotay had bad diplomatic skills too. Most of his solutions were the opposite of Janeway which usually meant shoot first and ask questions later. ?Chakotay never would have gotten use thru Borg space nor made semi-allies with the Hirogen. ?The only time he was right was in "Equinox" but the crew would have been long dead by that point under his command.

No, Chakotay was a poor first officer.

Yeah but you gotta remember, Janeway was putting the ship in danger, by going after the Equinox, it really wouldn't had made a difference after the Equinox captain destroyed his ship..

And believe me NO first Officer could had stop Janeway from beaming down if she wanted to, she was too strong willed.

Chakotay never once even tried.
Janeway is no more strong willed that Sisko was.

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