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The Daedalus class starship.

hamishrules

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Report this Jan. 02 2010, 7:13 am

When i hear Daedalus, i think of this fine specimen from Stargates SG-1, Atlantis and Universe:

tribblenator999

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Report this Jan. 02 2010, 10:57 am

how is the NX class so huge when compared to the constitution class. It's 100 years behind the connie but it's almost as big??? While the daedalus class which is suppose to be superior to the nx class is smaller? this is all too confusing.

tribblenator999

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Report this Jan. 02 2010, 1:35 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 02 2010, 11:31 am)
That NX does seem a bit big in comparison to the Connie.

Also, where are all these various sizes for the Daedalus class coming from?

:logical:

289 meters vs. 225 meters? that's only 64 meters difference. however it seems kind of weird that the NX class can only hold 80 people while the daedalus being smaller by 80 meters can hold 2.5 times that amount of people.

chr3335

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Report this Jan. 05 2010, 10:49 pm

not really modern naval curisers have a crew of about 360 and are about 567 ft (about 172 meters) so the size really isn't that small.My Webpage

Nuadha

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Report this Jan. 08 2010, 1:10 am

The NX-01 may take up a lot of space for Engineering and as warp technology advanced, it may have taken less and less.

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Report this Jan. 08 2010, 9:24 pm

All we really know about the Daedalus Class Starship is its crew size of 229 and its decommissioning date of 2196. To say that the Daedalus Class was built after the NX is conjecture. However, there are many other aspects to consider when comparing it to the NX and the Constitution Classes.

The Enterprise Novel "The Romulan Wars: Beneath the Raptor's Wings" suggest that the Daedalus Class Starship actually predates the NX Class design (I know that novels aren't canon, but nothing in any of the series contradicts this as a possibility). In 2156, Earth didn't have a large enough fleet to combat the Romulan Threat since only a small number of NX Class Starships existed and were being constructed. The solution arrived at was to return to the Daedalus Class Design (because three could be built in the time it took to construct one NX Class) and upgrade them with a warp five star drive.

So following this logic, the original Daedalus Design may have originally had a much smaller crew capacity than 229, perhaps a crew size that was proportional to the NX Class or roughly equivalent. But with the onset of the Romulan Wars, the Daedalus Class could have been upgraded to the M. Christopher Freeman's design, which carried a crew of 229. It's quite possible that this additional crew capacity was designed for security officers, ground troops, and transport personnel in the Romulan Wars. Now we've seen a total redesign before: TMP. Constitution Class Vessels, like The Enterprise 1701 herself, were completely rebuilt. The Excelsior Design had been heavily modified for the Enterprise B and for the Lakota in Generations and DS9's "Paradise Lost".

When the Enterprise 1701 was originally constructed, its crew capacity was 203. Pike mentioned its crew compliment in "The Cage". This is roughly proportional, given the 1701's secondary hull as starbase63 indicated, to the crew size of the NX-01. By the time Kirk got her, the crew capacity jumped to 430. This shows a tendency of Starfleet to pack in the people over time. Dax makes this observation in "Trials and Tribble-ations".

Given all of the above, Sisko's model could easily be an accurate depiction of the Daedalus Class Starship before any major refit should such a refit have taken place.

With all this in mind, M. Christopher Freeman's design has really grown on me and I'm a fan of it, but only if the original Daedalus Class Starships existed before the NX Class and MCF's design was adopted later. I'm also in favor of the Daedalus Class being 105 meters or 120 meters with 12 decks.  Jefferies Tubes could easily explain the inconsistent windows.  I also like the idea of the sunken bridge.

chr3335

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 1:41 pm

Quote (ZeroArmour @ Jan. 07 2010, 2:48 am)
That might be true Nuadha, but the Daedalus isn't much older than the NX is, so the technology is about the same.

And chr3335, Blue Water Naval vessals don't have to store as much core resources as a Black Water Naval vessal does... A certain amount of breathable gases for example.

breathable air doesn't need a huge amount of space due to gases being compressible, and both ships need to carry a certain amount of supplies to be able to perform maintenance so I still don't see much wrong with the size.

tribblenator999

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 5:16 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 04 2010, 10:40 am)
Quote (tribblenator999 @ Jan. 02 2010, 1:35 pm)
Quote (starbase63 @ Jan. 02 2010, 11:31 am)
That NX does seem a bit big in comparison to the Connie.

Also, where are all these various sizes for the Daedalus class coming from?

:logical:

289 meters vs. 225 meters? that's only 64 meters difference. however it seems kind of weird that the NX class can only hold 80 people while the daedalus being smaller by 80 meters can hold 2.5 times that amount of people.

64 metres is almost 200', tribble...a noticeable difference.

NX carried about 100, but remember the NX had no secondary hull...so more of the "primary" hull would be needed for storage.

:logical:

don't matter when the nx-class is a very weak and useless ship to begin with.

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