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stovokor2000

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 1:55 am

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 08 2010, 3:00 pm)
Nemesis alludes to the Remans having always been on Remus.

Does it really???

What was said in particular that makes you believe that???

Because I have tried to find someyhing in that film thats definitive on the subject and everything I find is pretty vague.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 1:58 am

Quote (Narada @ Jan. 08 2010, 4:39 pm)
And as starbase63 says I also believe the Remans are not related to Vulcans and Romulans. Since we know the Romulans left Vulcan then maybe they found the inhabitable planet of Romulus and in that same star system as a neighboring planet there is Remus.

I always thought of it like this.

The Romulans leave Vulcan searching for a new home.

They find the 2 planets but the better one is inhabited while the other is rich in minnerals.

So they elslave the people of that planet and ship them to Remus to do the minning.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 6:00 am

In the episode, "Return to Tomorrow", Sargon calls Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, "my children", and claims that they may, in fact be his peoples' decendants.  Spock responds that it would explain much in Vulcan's pre-history.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 1:18 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 09 2010, 11:15 am)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Jan. 09 2010, 12:55 am)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 08 2010, 3:00 pm)
Nemesis alludes to the Remans having always been on Remus.

Does it really???

What was said in particular that makes you believe that???

Because I have tried to find someyhing in that film thats definitive on the subject and everything I find is pretty vague.

That's why I said "alluded."

And what I really mean, at it's base, is that the Romulans and Remans are NOT both decended from Vulcans. I guess I ought to put it that way..

I knew what you ment on both issues.

But I'm asking you what you felt was "alluding" to that conclusion.....because I dont think enough was said to reach that conclusion.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 2:12 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 09 2010, 1:51 pm)
Their appearance.

Which is superficial and can bve explained by living on Remus for that long.


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and Spock wasn't trying to have negotiations with THEM, too, in Unification I and II.


He may not have seen a distinction.

And if they are related, he stood a better chasnce forcussing his attentions on one group.

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There's more, but you should just watch Nemesis and see for yourself.


Been there and done that and still havent found anything that is definitive.

Which is why I asked.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 3:40 pm

Quote (RomulusRemus @ Jan. 02 2010, 5:01 pm)
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Quote (RomulusRemus @ Jan. 02 2010, 4:13 am)
Yes, person, he did.
He is the idiot in charge.
He is the director.
He has final say in how things look.

You too, Romulus...

Just like with DammitJim, the whining's getting old.

:logical:

Maybe he is DammitJim? :laugh:

No it's Matt_JC aka HDent among other screen names..

You need psychiatric help.
You're frickin' nuts, man.

No, he doesn't.  Dr. Baxter strikes me as being higly intelligent (he has a PhD) , a good and decent guy who knows how to treat women with respect (unlike, say, a very sick and pathetic loser who's idea of a having a relationship is giving money to a stripper and who makes disgusting, disparaging remarks about nice moms whose boys would kick his *** for what they said to their mother online.  Would a real man say something like that?  We all know the answer is no) and perfectly sane.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 4:01 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 09 2010, 2:26 pm)
Nothing definitive... exactly.. hence the word "alluded." :D

I guess the issue here is that I think "alluded" is too strong a word.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 4:11 pm

You know what I liked about the new Romulans? Neros' stubble. I mean, every Romulan and most of the humans we saw never even began to exhibit facial hair unless it was already neatly trimmed. For crying out loud, Thomas Riker spent nine years alone on Nervala, with nothing but his uniform and apparently a barber. Making Nero kind of scruffy made him seem more realistic instead of plastic-y and stiff like TNG-era Romulans.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 7:14 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 09 2010, 4:06 pm)
Well, at the end of Nemesis, if I were to ask myself about it, I would agree that the Remans weren't descended from Vulcans and had always been in the Romulus/Remus group.

How did I come to this conclusion? - By watching the events unfold in Nemesis.

If you are looking for some deep, philosophical Socrates explanation.. sorry.

A "deep, philosophical explanation would be nice.

But hell, even a hint that only leads in one direction would be enough.

So far, everything they told us in Nemesis is to vague to come to any conclusion.

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Report this Jan. 09 2010, 8:06 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Jan. 09 2010, 7:56 pm)
I dunno...when I was through with the film, I was pretty convinced that the remans had always been in the Romulus/Remus pair and weren't decended from Vulcans.

It just gave me that impression I guess. I certainly don't see anything that offers better evidence of something else being the case.

To me the film provided nothing.

Yes they showed up that they looked physically different.....but nothing more.

And even the differences arent that big.

They both have pointed ears and the Remans seemed to be partly telapathic.

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Report this Jan. 10 2010, 9:26 pm

The Romulans and the Vulcans are the same people, so I never understood TNG's version with ridges.

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Report this Jan. 10 2010, 10:56 pm

I defnitely liked the return of the TOS-style Romulans...  The ridges just didn't make sense to me as to why to introduce them.  I could understand the evolutionary explanation here, but just didn't see the need to go down this path whatsoever...

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