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Story Line for Star Trek XII

> id="QUOTE">Warp drive and Transwarp drive do not exist and never will.

fooledagain

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Report this Jan. 01 2010, 2:17 pm

I'd pay to see that.

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Report this Jan. 01 2010, 2:25 pm

Nimoy was great in the movie but they need to let this new cast be on its own for the next movie.

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Report this Jan. 07 2010, 11:36 pm

I am loving this story.  If you could just format it alittle more formally it would be easier to read, every once and a while I get a bit confused on who is talking or if anyone is at all.  Other than that though I want to read the rest of it.

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Report this Jan. 17 2010, 9:27 pm

You know the funny thing? Honestly, it is all fiction. Warp drive and Transwarp drive do not exist and never will, so how can anyone state these things as fact with scientific basis?

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Report this Jan. 17 2010, 10:14 pm

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Most likely they won't exist based on our current limited understanding of physics. Never might be a bit of a reach though.

So never say never.

:D
Of course, like I saw when I was glimpsing the link you posted, faster than light travel would still cause time to almost stop for the traveler, meaning that in real life, when you got to where you were going, it would be like 100 years later, rendering it pretty useless for things like rescue missions.

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Report this Jan. 20 2010, 9:41 pm

Quote (johnd777 @ Jan. 01 2010, 12:21 pm)
I'd be happy to submit this to him or even work for him...

Here's an idea I just had for part of a story line:

The altered time line established by the fact that Spock and the crew of the ill fated Narada were empirical evidence to the possibility of time travel, alternative realities and universes. The only surviving evidence being Spock Prime himself, now nearly two hundred years old.

He was quite surprised by the desire of Starfleet and the Federation to take him in custody. Further, the Vulcan colony also wanted no part of him or his alter wisdom since most blamed him for the destruction of their home world.

Some of that resentment flowed over onto the contemporary Spock as well. Once again offered his resignation to Star fleet to help rebuild Vulcan culture once he learned Spock Prime was taken into custody and subjected to the worst exams science could manufacture. But the colonists, all but his father rejected his offer and again he withdrew his resignation.

Sullen, Spock sat in his quarters. Uhura spoke to Kirk that she could not reach him as the Enterprise broke orbit over the Vulcan colony. He put Sulu in charge and went to the Vulcan's stateroom. The door whooshed open. Spock was unresponsive.

"I did not expect such respirosity from my people." The Vulcan said over clasped hands [Nimoy-ish meditative pose]

Leaning back against the door way Kirk finished his thought, "...since they need all the help they can get."

"Yes." Raising his gaze to meet Kirk's. Not the typical "Affirmative" of Vulcan Spartan vocabulary. "The council and I have had our differences in the past, but this response is utterly illogical. I am the same Spock as Prime, but I am not he. I expected the council to realize this."

"One thing I learned from your alter ego, Spock, " Jim said lightly scratching the back of his (own) neck, "is that your people have emotions. And what the universe mistakes in Vulcans as not having them is rather your people's desperate efforts to control them."

"I had not contemplated that before." Spock said lowering his clasped hands. "Fascinating. The centralized Kolinahr philosophy to purge all emotion is itself a desperate attempt and therefore an emotion."

"Come on, Spock," the young Captain said with his hand extended. "Figuring out that life itself is hypocritical is a tail chase for those egg heads the think tank your alter ego is imprisoned in. So Vulcan colony rejects you. Bruised egos over your rejection to the science comittee no doubt... another emotion another hypocrisy... you have a home here."

Spock stood and accepted the handshake of his Captain. "Sir, I wish to withdraw my resignation."

"Ok," Kirk said spinning on his heel. "Never really accepted it in the first place." He stepped through the door out into the the busy corridor. "C'mon, we have work to do."

Stepping up to his flank, "what is the current mission?"

"Rescuing your alter ego."

One of the postponed books based on the alternate movie timeline covers what they will do with Prime Spock. I wonder if this is the reason they postponed the new movie novels. Maybe they are going to use prime Spock again?

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Report this Jan. 24 2010, 6:35 am

This story line looks like it might be a large book, or a series of movies.

The destruction of Vulcan should be addressed in XII. This is an interesting way to do so.

If a/the doomsday machine, which destroyed the Constellation in TOS, does show up in a movie sequel, Spock Prime would know how to deal with it. He may even know a better way than sacrificing a ship.

The TOS Doomsday Machine episode, the biggest beneficiary of the CG retrofit, is great to watch. It's a white knuckler, but it would need an expanded story line to be movie-worthy.

Nimoy is a bridge to the new movie series, as Shatner was in VII, but nothing more. I'm not expecting Spock Prime to hang around beyond XII, if he's even in XII. If the new series need such crutches, it's weak.

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Report this Jan. 24 2010, 6:48 am

Why are there ships in XI with a single warp cell? Even the first warp ship experiment had two cells, as did NX-01.

I'm guessing that the creative thought behind XI wanted the new Enterprise to look really improved, having two cells. Historical reconciliations can be covered later, if necessary. Although I guess it's possible that there were graphic novels or other material that had single-cell starships prior to XI.

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Report this Jan. 24 2010, 6:52 am



Can he speak with a French accent?

:laugh:

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Report this Jan. 25 2010, 12:22 am

It suddenly began to dawn upon Spock who Daniels was.

"I was later written off for dead at Veridian III. But I have since lived many long and prosperous lives, Spock. It's me... Jim Kirk. Or the essence of me. In the 31st century old bodies can be replaced with new ones using technology similar to the transporter. I have been many people too. The final frontier of the 31st Century was the temporal cold war. The fractures in the universe from the time travel of others necessitated the cold war. The very fiber of the universe has so thinly worn and the fractures so erratic it was closer to causing the entire thing to unravel than most were aware.

WHY?!! Daniels never had even half the charisma of Kirk, and Kirk probably would have told someone before now. There's too many ideas trying to fit inside this story for me, time travel/universe hopping, Doomsday Machine, Kirk 'back'..

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Report this Jan. 26 2010, 10:05 am

Your story sounds similar to one of the new Trek Movie books that have been delayed until after the sequel comes out. They have one that deals with Prime Spock and what Starfleet is deciding to do with him.

http://trekmovie.com/2010....er-2010

http://trekmovie.com/2010....-summer

Star Trek: The Hazards of Concealing
by Greg Cox

An all-new adventure featuring the new Enterprise crew from New York Times bestselling author Greg Cox.

The events of the recent movie have left one important loose end: the elder Spock from the 24th century. His knowledge of both technology and future events makes him one of the most important strategic assets in the galaxy. Starfleet Command wants Ambassador Spock to rejoin Starfleet and share that information with them, but Spock is reluctant to interfere with the unfolding of the new timeline. Will he be able to escape a sinister plan wrought by the enemies of the Federation, or will their quest to exploit Spock?s wisdom succeed, with disastrous consequences?

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Report this Jan. 26 2010, 10:58 am

When is someone going to realize that fan stories written on an internet board are not very good?

Pretty much ANY sequel idea that re-uses stuff from the original series and / or crosses over with characters from the spin-off series are automatically things I gloss over with no interest.

If I ever see an original idea that isn't foolishly over-complicated and over-saturated with fanboy crossover garbage, I'll probably have a heart attack and die on the spot.

"HAY, I have dis grate idea for a SEQUAL!!! Cap'n Janeway comes back in time with Q to try to stop the meeting between Khan and Kirk, but realizes the timeline has been changed by Nero, so she enlists the help of Guinan and the First Federation ship Fesarius to go back further in time and find T'Pol and Archer, but this starts a galactic war between the Gorn and the Dominion which sends Kirk and Prime Spock crashing through infinite dimensions!!! Fortunately, nuSpock and Tuvok are able to mind-meld and discover that the whole problem is that "Q" is not really Q...it's Gorgon the Friendly Angel in disguise!!! Fortunately, Prime Sulu shows up (George Takei would be cast) and defeats Gorgon...but not before nuKirk and nuSpock have to defeat the Gorn / Dominion alliance in a stolen Tholian battlecruiser that the Vulcan refugees had stolen during their pilgrimage to a new home!!"



:sick: :question:

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Report this Jan. 27 2010, 10:40 am

Quote (johnd777 @ Jan. 26 2010, 9:39 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ Jan. 25 2010, 11:58 am)
When is someone going to realize that fan stories written on an internet board are not very good?

Pretty much ANY sequel idea that re-uses stuff from the original series and / or crosses over with characters from the spin-off series are automatically things I gloss over with no interest.

If I ever see an original idea that isn't foolishly over-complicated and over-saturated with fanboy crossover garbage, I'll probably have a heart attack and die on the spot.

"HAY, I have dis grate idea for a SEQUAL!!! Cap'n Janeway comes back in time with Q to try to stop the meeting between Khan and Kirk, but realizes the timeline has been changed by Nero, so she enlists the help of Guinan and the First Federation ship Fesarius to go back further in time and find T'Pol and Archer, but this starts a galactic war between the Gorn and the Dominion which sends Kirk and Prime Spock crashing through infinite dimensions!!! Fortunately, nuSpock and Tuvok are able to mind-meld and discover that the whole problem is that "Q" is not really Q...it's Gorgon the Friendly Angel in disguise!!! Fortunately, Prime Sulu shows up (George Takei would be cast) and defeats Gorgon...but not before nuKirk and nuSpock have to defeat the Gorn / Dominion alliance in a stolen Tholian battlecruiser that the Vulcan refugees had stolen during their pilgrimage to a new home!!"



:sick: :question:

Can't win every critic over.

All I'm trying to say is that if you have a general story concept or idea, try to infuse it with NEW thoughts, characters, aliens, and scenarios rather than just throw all the existing stuff into a big bag, mix it up, and then dump it all on the table.

If you're creative and ambitious enough to put the time in (as you clearly are) then don't sell yourself short by writing fanboy crossover wank.

Sometimes, I feel like Trek fans make stories about Star Trek by taking all the existing names of characters, alien races, planets, and starships and putting them on refrigerator magnets like people have in their homes and just building whatever they can based off that. It looks something like this:






...except the words are usually these:

Kirk
Spock
Khan
Spock Prime
Gorn
Romulan
Q
Voyager
Archer and Tripp
The Doomsday Machine
Vulcan
Enterprise
nuSpock
Gary Mitchell
The Dominion
Dr. Bashir
time travel
temporal vortex
Riker and Troi
Defiant
Tholians
Romulan Senate
intergalactic war
Species 8472

...mixed in with the standard verbs like "discover, travel, meet, use, fly, attack, scan, negotiate, etc."

It's just not good storytelling, in my humble opinion.

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Report this Jul. 15 2010, 7:40 pm

Since Starfleet Command was reluctant to work out the bugs in my old account... I have created this new one.


I am the one who was formerly JohnD777.

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Report this Jul. 15 2010, 9:15 pm

And I tried to update the Kelvin / Constellation photo before the new boards were updated...


However I do not see a switch to insaert photos...


 


hmmm


 


 

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