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chr3335

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Report this Dec. 21 2009, 1:31 pm

chr3335

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Report this Dec. 21 2009, 5:48 pm

What is funny is people think that more government will increase the  cost of medical care.

Corwin8

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Report this Dec. 22 2009, 9:07 am

Not for the Senators and Congressassclowns who are voting this theft into law.

:angry:

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Report this Dec. 23 2009, 7:41 am

Oh guys, relax. You won. The public option is dead. The one thing that the big corporations really fear is off the table. So now those who want to opt out of the private system and go for coverage under a public health care system are going to continue to be deprived of the right to do so, unless they are old enough for medicare. Happy now, or are you guys going to go after dismantling medicare next?

Corwin8

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Report this Dec. 23 2009, 12:08 pm

Quote (caltrek @ Dec. 23 2009, 7:41 am)
Oh guys, relax. You won. The public option is dead. The one thing that the big corporations really fear is off the table. So now those who want to opt out of the private system and go for coverage under a public health care system are going to continue to be deprived of the right to do so, unless they are old enough for medicare. Happy now, or are you guys going to go after dismantling medicare next?

Getting government as far out of healthcare or anything else not covered in the Constitution would be fine with me.

Healthcare paid for by the taxpayers is not a basic human right.

Neither is a lot of other shit the government hands out but that is a whole other issue.

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Report this Dec. 23 2009, 4:44 pm

Quote (Corwin8 @ Dec. 22 2009, 9:08 pm)
Quote (caltrek @ Dec. 23 2009, 7:41 am)
Oh guys, relax. You won. The public option is dead. The one thing that the big corporations really fear is off the table. So now those who want to opt out of the private system and go for coverage under a public health care system are going to continue to be deprived of the right to do so, unless they are old enough for medicare. Happy now, or are you guys going to go after dismantling medicare next?

Getting government as far out of healthcare or anything else not covered in the Constitution would be fine with me.

Healthcare paid for by the taxpayers is not a basic human right.

Neither is a lot of other shit the government hands out but that is a whole other issue.

The "I pay, so everyone else should too" attitude wins out.

I pay too, but i dont get my panties in a bunch when it comes to helping people who cant afford it. Guess it shows what kind of person corwin is.

Lets see him weasel and justify his way out of that comment.

Avenger_Class2009

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Report this Dec. 23 2009, 5:24 pm

The healthcare issue is all about who is going to make money off it.
I would investigate the Clinton interests who started it all
I bet they have some sort of money making scheme involved to profit from our diseases

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"The most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I am here to help."
Ronald Reagan

Corwin8

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Report this Dec. 23 2009, 10:55 pm

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20 MEMORABLE QUOTES FROM THE 25 DAY HEALTH CARE DEBATE


1. ¿ ¿ ¿ SEN. BEN NELSON (D-NE): ¿My Vote Is Not For Sale Period.¿ (¿Nebraska¿s Nelson: An Undecided Man In The Middle,¿ The Associated Press, 12/16/09)

2. ¿ ¿ ¿ SEN. DICK DURBIN (D-IL): ¿I Would Say To The Senator From Arizona, That I¿m In The Dark Almost As Much As He Is. And I¿m In The Leadership.¿ (Sen. Dick Durbin, Floor Remarks, 12/11/09)

3. ¿ ¿ ¿ SEN. JOE LIEBERMAN (ID-CT): ¿I Wonder If I Could Ask Unanimous Consent For Just An Additional Moment.¿ SEN. AL FRANKEN (D-MN): ¿In My Capacity As Senator From Minnesota, I Object.¿ LIEBERMAN: ¿Really? Ok. Don¿t Take It Personally.¿ (Sens. Lieberman & Franken, Floor Remarks, 12/17/09)

4. ¿ ¿ ¿ SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-MT): ¿I¿ll Just Read. This Is From Wikipedia. It May Not Be Accurate.¿ (Sen. Baucus, Floor Remarks, 12/3/09)

5. ¿ ¿ ¿ SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): ¿If They Don¿t Have Something In It Important To Them Then It Doesn¿t Speak Well Of Them.¿ (¿Public Option Tensions Linger,¿ Politico, 12/22/09)

6. ¿ ¿ ¿ SEN. ARLEN SPECTER (D-PA): ¿I Came To This Caucus To Be Your 60th Vote.¿ (¿Senate Health Bill Unlikely To Include Medicare Buy-In,¿ Washington Post, 12/15/09)

SEN. ARLEN SPECTER (D-PA): ¿I Will Not Be An Automatic 60th Vote.¿ (¿Specter: I¿m Not An Automatic 60th Vote,¿ Politico, 4/28/09)

7. SEN. ROLAND BURRIS (D-IL): If ¿It Does Not Have A Public Option In It, I Will Not Vote For It.¿ (¿Burris Threatens To Filibuster Health Care Without Public Option,¿ The Huffington Post, 12/9/09)
8. SEN. BOB CASEY (D-PA) On Medicare Advantage Cuts: ¿We¿re Not Going To Be Able To Say ¿If You Like What You Have, You Can Keep It¿ ¿ And That Basic Commitment That A Lot Of Us Around Here Have Made Will Be Called Into Question.¿ (¿Obama¿s Planned Medicare Cuts Distress Some Democrats,¿ Bloomberg, 12/3/09)

9. ¿ ¿ ¿ SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-LA): ¿Yes, We¿ve Had To Raise Some Taxes And Fees To Pay For This Bill.¿ (CSPAN¿s Washington Journal, 12/22/09)

10. ¿ SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-RI): ¿They Have Ardent Supporters Who Are Nearly Hysterical At The Very Election Of President Barack Obama: The ¿Birthers,¿ The Fanatics, The People Running Around In Rightwing Militias And Aryan Support Groups.¿ (Sen. Whitehouse, Congressional Record, S.13570, 12/20/09)

11. ¿ SEN. KENT CONRAD (D-ND) On The CLASS Act: ¿¿A Ponzi Scheme Of The First Order, The Kind Of Thing That Bernie Madoff Would Have Been Proud Of,¿ And He Vowed To Block Its Inclusion In The Senate Bill.¿ (Proposed Long-Term Insurance Program Raises Questions,¿ The Washington Post, 10/27/09)

12. ¿ SEN. DICK DURBIN (D-IL): ¿It Will Be On The Internet 72 Hours Before We Take A Vote.¿ (ABC¿s ¿This Week,¿ 12/20/09)

13. ¿ SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (I-VT): ¿The Insurance Companies Are Going To Make Out Like Bandits. The Drug Companies Are Going To Make Out Like Bandits ¿ No Question About That. This Is Not A Strong Bill.¿ (¿Sanders: ¿Big Money Interests Control¿ Congress,¿ The Hill, 12/22/09)

14. ¿ SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-MT): ¿I Can¿t Do The Correct Math.¿ (Sen. Baucus, Floor Remarks, 12/4/09)

15. ¿ SEN. DICK DURBIN (D-IL): ¿The Establishment Of Social Security. ¿ I Remember Those Days.¿ ¿It is a step consistent with the establishment of Social Security, which finally took the worry away from seniors and their families about what would happen to grandma and grandpa when they stopped working. I remember those days.¿ (Sen. Durbin, Floor Remarks, 12/11/09)

¿The Social Security Act (Act of August 14, 1935) [H. R. 7260]¿ (¿The Social Security Act Of 1935,¿ Social Security Website, Accessed 12/11/09)

16. ¿ SEN. TOM HARKIN (D-IA): ¿I Have Said Many Times That The Two Biggest Winners Under Our Health Care Reform Bill Are Small Businesses And The Self-Employed.¿ (Sen. Harkin, Congressional Record, S.11852, 11/20/09)

17. ¿ SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): ¿The American People Don¿t Get Weekends Off From This Injustice.¿ (Sen. Reid, Floor Remarks, 12/5/09)

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV): ¿I See No Reason To Punish Everybody This Weekend.¿ ¿I had one senator come to me and said that she hadn¿t been home now in two or three weeks and it was not a good situation. ¿ I see no reason to punish everybody this weekend.¿ (Sen. Reid, Floor Remarks, 12/09/09)

18. ¿ SEN. MARY LANDRIEU (D-LA): ¿The Fact Of The Matter Is, And I Know People Don¿t Believe This, But I Can¿t Be Bought.¿ (¿Sen. Landrieu On Healthcare Vote: ¿I Can¿t Be Bought,¿¿ The Hill¿s ¿Briefing Blog,¿ 12/22/09)

19. SEN. MAX BAUCUS (D-MT): Bill Will Cost ¿2.5 Trillion.¿ ¿Just for a second ¿ health care reform, whether you use a ten-year number or when you start in 2010 or start in 2014, wherever you start at, so it is still either $1 trillion or it¿s $2.5 trillion, depending on where you start¿¿ (Sen. Baucus, Floor Remarks, 12/2/09)

20. ¿ SEN. ROLAND BURRIS (D-IL): ¿Twas The Night Before Christmas And All Through The Senate.¿ (Sen. Roland Burris, Congressional Record, S. 13721, 12/22/09)


20 quotes of note.

These are the ones voting on healthcare. Enjoy the fail.

chr3335

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Report this Dec. 23 2009, 11:35 pm

Quote (PhantomCrunk007 @ Dec. 22 2009, 5:44 pm)
Quote (Corwin8 @ Dec. 22 2009, 9:08 pm)
Quote (caltrek @ Dec. 23 2009, 7:41 am)
Oh guys, relax. You won. The public option is dead. The one thing that the big corporations really fear is off the table. So now those who want to opt out of the private system and go for coverage under a public health care system are going to continue to be deprived of the right to do so, unless they are old enough for medicare. Happy now, or are you guys going to go after dismantling medicare next?

Getting government as far out of healthcare or anything else not covered in the Constitution would be fine with me.

Healthcare paid for by the taxpayers is not a basic human right.

Neither is a lot of other shit the government hands out but that is a whole other issue.

The "I pay, so everyone else should too" attitude wins out.

I pay too, but i dont get my panties in a bunch when it comes to helping people who cant afford it. Guess it shows what kind of person corwin is.

Lets see him weasel and justify his way out of that comment.

And you don't actually care if people actually get service because you already paid for it who cares if they rot while they wait to get care ITS FREE.

CornishMonkey

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Report this Dec. 24 2009, 3:17 am

Quote (chr3335 @ Dec. 24 2009, 4:35 am)
Quote (PhantomCrunk007 @ Dec. 22 2009, 5:44 pm)
Quote (Corwin8 @ Dec. 22 2009, 9:08 pm)
Quote (caltrek @ Dec. 23 2009, 7:41 am)
Oh guys, relax. You won. The public option is dead. The one thing that the big corporations really fear is off the table. So now those who want to opt out of the private system and go for coverage under a public health care system are going to continue to be deprived of the right to do so, unless they are old enough for medicare. Happy now, or are you guys going to go after dismantling medicare next?

Getting government as far out of healthcare or anything else not covered in the Constitution would be fine with me.

Healthcare paid for by the taxpayers is not a basic human right.

Neither is a lot of other shit the government hands out but that is a whole other issue.

The "I pay, so everyone else should too" attitude wins out.

I pay too, but i dont get my panties in a bunch when it comes to helping people who cant afford it. Guess it shows what kind of person corwin is.

Lets see him weasel and justify his way out of that comment.

And you don't actually care if people actually get service because you already paid for it who cares if they rot while they wait to get care ITS FREE.

My father tore the muscles away from his knee at the weekend. He had ultrasound scans on it, an MRI scan, he has been operated on, been given a series of devices to help at home during recovery and is now on the mend. He never once had to consider whether if was eligible. His physiotherapy will be provided for too. All in all, good.

CornishMonkey

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Report this Dec. 24 2009, 3:18 am

Double post :(

Josh_Lyman

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Report this Dec. 24 2009, 3:58 am

Quote (Corwin8 @ Dec. 22 2009, 1:08 pm)
Healthcare paid for by the taxpayers is not a basic human right.

Neither is a lot of other shit the government hands out but that is a whole other issue.

What exactly are the basic human rights? Please list them and explain what authority backs you up.

Corwin8

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Report this Dec. 24 2009, 10:08 am

Quote (ZeroArmour @ Dec. 24 2009, 1:17 am)
Quote (Corwin8 @ Dec. 23 2009, 12:08 pm)
Getting government as far out of healthcare or anything else not covered in the Constitution would be fine with me.

Does the Constitution have a provision for a government organised military?

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Section 2 grants substantive powers to the president:

The president is the Commander in Chief of the armed forces, and of the state militias when these are called into federal service.

Finally, the fourth section of Article Four requires the United States to guarantee to each state a republican form of government, and to protect the states from invasion and violence.

That should cover your question.

Corwin8

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Report this Dec. 24 2009, 10:19 am

Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Dec. 24 2009, 3:58 am)
Quote (Corwin8 @ Dec. 22 2009, 1:08 pm)
Healthcare paid for by the taxpayers is not a basic human right.

Neither is a lot of other shit the government hands out but that is a whole other issue.

What exactly are the basic human rights? Please list them and explain what authority backs you up.

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Human rights are "basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled."[1] Examples of rights and freedoms which have come to be commonly thought of as human rights include civil and political rights, such as the right to life and liberty, freedom of expression, and equality before the law; and economic, social and cultural rights, including the right to participate in culture, the right to be treated with respect and dignity, the right to food, the right to work, and the right to education in some countries.


Human rights

This is the quickest item I can find and I find nowhere that taxpayer funded healthcare is a basic human right. That is not the same as a country that has a law that provides that service. If that country chooses to do that, fine, but that does not make it a right by definition.

Bottom line is that it's unconstitutional to force me to buy healthcare, or hit me with a fine or jail time for not having it.

The Constitution itself is my authority. What is yours? The Senators, Congressmen, and President who's votes are for sale?

Corwin8

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Report this Dec. 24 2009, 10:26 am

Quote (PhantomCrunk007 @ Dec. 23 2009, 4:44 pm)
Quote (Corwin8 @ Dec. 22 2009, 9:08 pm)
Quote (caltrek @ Dec. 23 2009, 7:41 am)
Oh guys, relax. You won. The public option is dead. The one thing that the big corporations really fear is off the table. So now those who want to opt out of the private system and go for coverage under a public health care system are going to continue to be deprived of the right to do so, unless they are old enough for medicare. Happy now, or are you guys going to go after dismantling medicare next?

Getting government as far out of healthcare or anything else not covered in the Constitution would be fine with me.

Healthcare paid for by the taxpayers is not a basic human right.

Neither is a lot of other shit the government hands out but that is a whole other issue.

The "I pay, so everyone else should too" attitude wins out.

I pay too, but i dont get my panties in a bunch when it comes to helping people who cant afford it. Guess it shows what kind of person corwin is.

Lets see him weasel and justify his way out of that comment.

Yes, I'm the kind of person who resents having a gun jammed in my face and be forced to buy or provide something the government says I should. No matter what it is.

No matter how you try to paint me as an unfeeling bastard who could care less about others, it won't work. This is not about denial of healthcare to those that don't have it. This is about more government control over my life. Not one more sick person will be helped with this bill, not one less person die. It's about more dependency on the government for everything.

I want as little government involvement in my life as possible. These assclowns can't fix the existing government run health plans now, and you want to hand them more control? Of course you do, because Mommy Staters always do.

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