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DammitJim6200

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 12:58 am

Look.....This is not another " I'm bashing Abrams idiotic movie thread" but a little discussion of one of the (50) things I and some of us find silly about this silly movie,



Clearly all of the characters are weak copies of the original,
at least Chris Pine put some effort into making Kirk seem passable...Somewhat..

Zak Quinto while he may resemble Nimoy as a Spock is only a lifeless softer subdued version of the character.


Warning: don't read any further if you like the new MOVIE!

Zoe Saldana is utterly horrible as Uhura, Uhura is suppose to be a PROUD african as her name states, the actress that plays her is awful, (Thandie Newton would had been a better choice)
there is NO reference to her African culture whatsoever, she acts like a tough street girl from the hood, marching up to a superior officer and demand that she gets sign on to the Enterprise,
Naturally The wimpy Spock bows down to her demands,
I could NEVER imagine the Spock or Uhura from TOS acting so foolish,
Spocks planet is destroyed he's "emotionally compromised"
wouldn't a logical Vulcan woman serve his needs better ?
to put his mind in better focus, apparently the loons that wrote this movie never heard of Pon Farr.

Spock is about to risk his life at the end what does he say to Kirk as he's about to go ? say good bye to Uhura for me..
Would a precise mind dedicated to logic dwell on love at a critical moment ?

I'm sorry but horny Vulcans just don't work and it shouldn't work in Star Trek, we all know why they did it, to have the pointy eared guy be in love with the chick in the movie so it could be considered "cool." Like everything else in the movie
there is no explanation for anything, like in their relationship, it just happens..As a result the character of Spock and Uhura are gone, instead we get an updated Kim Kardasian version of Uhura, and a emotionally confused lover boy version of Spock, JJ Abrams did something Leonard Nimoy tried NOT to do for half his life, make Spock look silly, I can't believe Nimoy went along with this movie. One thing is certain, some people like it for what it is, others don't because it went against all we felt Star Trek represented, by making a Star Trek movie that's "not for nerds" JJ Abrams and his group of buffoons, took an interesting sci fi concept and made a mockery out of it and it's charcaters, giving us insulting versions of Spock and Uhura.

this topic is for discussion not for those simpletons who like to defend this movie with their last breath, and criticize others..
So in your opinions is Spock and Uhura's relationship bad or good ?

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 1:24 am

A friend of mine who recently watched the movie with me said her thought the Spock & Uhura relationship both gave depth to their characters.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 2:11 am

DammitJim,

I do think you're being a bit unfair to say Zoe Saldana was "horrible" and "awful" as Uhura.  She didn't write the dialogue she was given, after all.  I don't think the actors should be blamed for how their characters were portrayed.  And what references to African culture are you looking for?

But the Spock/Uhura relationship made me laugh.  My jaw dropped when they "made out" in the transporter room.  Oh boy, I'm sure the writers will develop this romance further in the inevitable sequel.  Yay!  Let's turn Star Trek into a soap opera.  Kirk will get jealous and then fight Spock in order to win Uhura's affection.     :bored:

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 2:15 am

nuSpock went down the road not taken by Nimoy Spock. He was forced to confront his emotions much sooner, even Sarek reaffirmed that it was okay for his half-human/half-vulcan son to do what feels right.
True a Vulcan woman would have provided logic, but what Spock needed was emotional stability. Since he and Kirk were at odds and not best friends yet Uhura filled the role of providing that emotional stability for Spock. She was his confidante.
The relationship was good for character development and depth of character for both Uhura and Spock.


RE Uhura demanding to be assigned to the Enterprise. In the highly competitive world of Starfleet Academy every acheivement, every mission and every duty assignement reflects on the individual and determines your future in Starfleet. Uhura knew this, and knew if she wanted to advance her career and be at the top of her field she needed to be on the Enterprise, and she had the skills and knowledge to back that up.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 2:17 am

I'd be curious to see if Spock was even allowed to mate with another vulcan now.  With so few survivors it would be logical to keep to only pure blooded vulcans.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 3:12 am

Quote (ZeroArmour @ Dec. 18 2009, 2:31 am)
Look I didn't like the movie much, but the real problem with Zoe's Uhura is that she's totally wasted in this film.

And it's not just her.

All the female roles are worthless place fillers, and that is just wrong. Her only purpose in the film is to be hit on, strip down, and kiss Spock...

Well, okay she also gives one piece of dialog to move the leaden plot forward, but is just a worthless part.

Zoe as an actor, and Uhura as a character, both deserve better.

:question:

The part in the elevator is one of the most emotional interactions between 2 characters. She has over 5 great scenes which showcase different abilities. She was great in this movie and will be even better in the next one.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 4:38 am

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Dec. 17 2009, 9:58 am)
Look.....This is not another " I'm bashing Abrams idiotic movie thread" but a little discussion of one of the (50) things I and some of us find silly about this silly movie,



Clearly all of the characters are weak copies of the original,
at least Chris Pine put some effort into making Kirk seem passable...Somewhat..

Zak Quinto while he may resemble Nimoy as a Spock is only a lifeless softer subdued version of the character.


Warning: don't read any further if you like the new MOVIE!

Zoe Saldana is utterly horrible as Uhura, Uhura is suppose to be a PROUD african as her name states, the actress that plays her is awful, (Thandie Newton would had been a better choice)
there is NO reference to her African culture whatsoever, she acts like a tough street girl from the hood, marching up to a superior officer and demand that she gets sign on to the Enterprise,
Naturally The wimpy Spock bows down to her demands,
I could NEVER imagine the Spock or Uhura from TOS acting so foolish,
Spocks planet is destroyed he's "emotionally compromised"
wouldn't a logical Vulcan woman serve his needs better ?
to put his mind in better focus, apparently the loons that wrote this movie never heard of Pon Farr.

Spock is about to risk his life at the end what does he say to Kirk as he's about to go ? say good bye to Uhura for me..
Would a precise mind dedicated to logic dwell on love at a critical moment ?

I'm sorry but horny Vulcans just don't work and it shouldn't work in Star Trek, we all know why they did it, to have the pointy eared guy be in love with the chick in the movie so it could be considered "cool." Like everything else in the movie
there is no explanation for anything, like in their relationship, it just happens..As a result the character of Spock and Uhura are gone, instead we get an updated Kim Kardasian version of Uhura, and a emotionally confused lover boy version of Spock, JJ Abrams did something Leonard Nimoy tried NOT to do for half his life, make Spock look silly, I can't believe Nimoy went along with this movie. One thing is certain, some people like it for what it is, others don't because it went against all we felt Star Trek represented, by making a Star Trek movie that's "not for nerds" JJ Abrams and his group of buffoons, took an interesting sci fi concept and made a mockery out of it and it's charcaters, giving us insulting versions of Spock and Uhura.

this topic is for discussion not for those simpletons who like to defend this movie with their last breath, and criticize others..
So in your opinions is Spock and Uhura's relationship bad or good ?

####, you must bet the hugest dork there ever was.

You need to do yourself a favor and grow out of this "girls are icky" thing.

And lay off the 12 inch picard.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 5:09 am

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Dec. 18 2009, 12:58 am)
So in your opinions is Spock and Uhura's relationship bad or good ?

IMO, each character represent a good example of how things can change.

Spock & Uhura for example is the perfect example of the phrase.
"In another life, things could have been different."
well something like that.

In the Prime, they may have had feelings for each other once too, but their work took them to different paths & when they meet each other again on the Enterprise years later, they don't feel the same way again.

Chekov represents how a person can be born a different date.

Kirk, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."
different childhood, different role model but end up in the same path.

Nothing to say about Bones & Scotty though, at least i couldn't think of any.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 5:44 am

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Dec. 18 2009, 12:58 am)
Look.....This is not another " I'm bashing Abrams idiotic movie thread" but a little discussion of one of the (50) things I and some of us find silly about this silly movie,



Clearly all of the characters are weak copies of the original,
at least Chris Pine put some effort into making Kirk seem passable...Somewhat..

Funny as he was your primary target before the film came out.

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Warning: don't read any further if you like the new MOVIE!


What's the point?

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there is NO reference to her African culture whatsoever,


Why would there be?  The original Uhura hardly ever mentioned her african culture as it was (other than perhaps speaking of her name being Swahili or an odd reference somewhere else, etc.)  I don't even recall it at all during the films!  So let's be fair here.

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Naturally The wimpy Spock bows down to her demands,
I could NEVER imagine the Spock or Uhura from TOS acting so foolish,


What's foolish?  That Uhura acts tougher?

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to put his mind in better focus, apparently the loons that wrote this movie never heard of Pon Farr.


Apparently neither have you!  What would Pon Farr have to do with this?


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what does he say to Kirk as he's about to go ? say good bye to Uhura for me..


As far as he got was "Please tell Lieutenant Uhura..." before Kirk interrupts.

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I'm sorry but horny Vulcans just don't work and it shouldn't work in Star Trek,


Why are you implying that Spock is driven by sex?  When was that established in the film? You're making this implication ALL on your own.

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there is no explanation for anything, like in their relationship, it just happens..


That's life for you.

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JJ Abrams did something Leonard Nimoy tried NOT to do for half his life, make Spock look silly, I can't believe Nimoy went along with this movie.


Perhaps because Leonard Nimoy is a tad bit wiser and has a different opinion?.  You don't even know what Pon Farr is!  So why are you proclaiming to be an expert on something you aren't?

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by making a Star Trek movie that's "not for nerds" JJ Abrams and his group of buffoons, took an interesting sci fi concept and made a mockery out of it and it's charcaters, giving us insulting versions of Spock and Uhura.


Insulting to who?  TNG fans who aren't mad that it wasn't Riker and Troi instead?

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So in your opinions is Spock and Uhura's relationship bad or good ?


Indifferent.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 5:49 am

I didn't like the scenes between them as they came across to me as exploitative.
What disturbs me more though, as ZeroArmour said, is the lack of female characters. They weren't just weak, they were non existent.
To restart Trek in a form more accessible to 21st century audiences and to say part of the plan was to make it appeal more to women, the producers seem to have done exactly the opposite.
Even the mini skirted yeomen in TOS had more to do.
Trek has gone through a metamorphosis resulting in strong female characters in the last 4 TV series.All undone in this movie.
There seemed to be no female character in the script that was there for any other reason than a sexual foil for Spock or Kirk.
Disgraceful really. But again, a sign of the times.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 6:01 am

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Dec. 18 2009, 12:58 am)
Warning: don't read any further if you like the new MOVIE!

Zoe Saldana is utterly horrible as Uhura, Uhura is suppose to be a PROUD african as her name states, the actress that plays her is awful, (Thandie Newton would had been a better choice)

Thandie Newton was too old to play the part.
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Spocks planet is destroyed he's "emotionally compromised"
wouldn't a logical Vulcan woman serve his needs better ?


I dont see why....not to mention there werent any around at the time that he was familiar with.
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Spock is about to risk his life at the end what does he say to Kirk as he's about to go ? say good bye to Uhura for me..
Would a precise mind dedicated to logic dwell on love at a critical moment ?


Spck has shown emotion at other critical moments before.

This was no different, particularly since it seemed that Uhura was his only friend.
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So in your opinions is Spock and Uhura's relationship bad or good ?


I thought it was an interesting twist.

I always felt there was a "spark" between the two and I loved it wnen it was done in a book I read long ago.

That being said I preferred the idea of the spark going un-tested.

Meaning I like the ides of them having an attraction but never doing anything about it.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 7:21 am

The Spock/Uhura relationship totally doesn't work for me. But before I go into why, I first want to say that I don't put any blame at all for this on the actors. I thought both Quinto and Saldana did an excellent job considering the material they had to work with. Who is at fault here is the writers, not the cast.

I should also say that, when I first saw the film, before I'd seen any of TOS, I didn't mind the turbolift scene, in fact, I actually found it quite touching. But even as a noob I didn't like the transporter scene, it seemed cheap.

Now that I've seen TOS, I realise exactly why I don't like this relationship. And before anyone says "but these aren't the same characters as in TOS"...yes, I know that...but the reason that I love TOS so much is because of Spock, who he is, how he behaves, how his mind works etc.
I'm not saying that the new Spock is 'wrong'...I just don't like him.

So finally, to why. For me, the real beauty of Spock's character is in the duality and the struggle he experiences inside. We all know that he is deeply passionate, that he experiences feelings and emotions, that he can get upset, get angry, be happy, be sad...but he constantly attempts to supress or to hide those feelings from others. It's this aspect that I think myself, and a lot of other people, identify with. We can admire him for the sheer amount of will and discipline it must take to maintain that Vulcan exterior, while beneath the surface his feelings are ready to boil over.

With the new Spock we don't get to enjoy that aspect of him. We see a Spock who quite readily gives in to his emotions. He allows himself to be comforted by Uhura, and openly shows her his sadness. He allows himself to get angry at Kirk, and acts on that anger in a completely unprofessional and irresponsible way.

For me personally, it feels like everything that was ever special and unique and wonderful and identifiable about the Spock character has been wiped away.


Onto Uhura. What I really love about the TOS Uhura is that, yes, she's a strong, independant woman, but she's also still feminine. So we have times where she'll be feisty, like in the Naked Time, with her great response to Sulu's "I'll rescue you fair maiden"..."Sorry, neither".
But then at the same time we can see that she does get scared, like in Mirror, Mirror, when she admits as much to Kirk. This, to me, only makes her seem even stronger when, following this admission she still manages to take her place on the mirror bridge, alone.

Unfortunately I didn't see any of that contrast with new Uhura. I saw the toughness and the feistiness, but she was missing that underlying femininity. Apart from her scenes with Spock, the character in STXI could have been replaced by a man and it wouldn't have made any difference.
I don't know if it's a sign of the times, that the general belief is that women can not be strong AND feminine at the same time. Nichelle Nichol's Uhura once proved that you could.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 8:02 am

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Dec. 18 2009, 7:21 am)
With the new Spock we don't get to enjoy that aspect of him. We see a Spock who quite readily gives in to his emotions. He allows himself to be comforted by Uhura, and openly shows her his sadness. He allows himself to get angry at Kirk, and acts on that anger in a completely unprofessional and irresponsible way.

For me personally, it feels like everything that was ever special and unique and wonderful and identifiable about the Spock character has been wiped away.

That's the difference in viewing a series & a film.
In the film, they only got a few days to show who they are, not weeks - years.

Spock here is younger than the TOS Spock, as he's not yet even serve on a ship yet. He's still fresh working in the academy, near someone who he has feeling with.

In the PU (Prime Universe) he would be on a ship while Uhura is still in the academy, separating them hence he is in House's terms. Still downing pills and not being detoxed. :)

When I watch this film, I don't see what's similar or not about it, I try to see why they are not different yet still the same people. How their lives can be changed had things happened differently.

:)

That's what I don't like about the old TOS, they behave oddly anytime & anywhere. Just so unrealistic. Might as well have Kirk saying Spock's name for every line in every episode & we'll have the same result.

Kirk: "Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock, Spock."
The best dialog in TOS time. ;)

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 8:24 am

The way I'm able to rationalize it working is that this is Spock and Uhura before the version we would have seen in TOS prime. Spock served on the Enterprise before Kirk came on board, and I'm not sure, but Uhura may have as well. Also the first year of Kirk's five year mission is largely unexplored. It's quiet possible that there was a relationship between the two before Kirk came on board, and even some during the first year of Kirk's reign.

We've seen in The Menagerie that Spock has a bit more emotion to him. He says it was his attempt to fit in with the humans, but it could be just because he hasn't gotten that side to him under control.

Sarek has married Earth women on numerous occasions, so I don't see why it's so shocking that Spock would do the same thing. It could either be a logical thing to do as the majority of his shipmates are human, or he's just not as in control as we're accustomed to seeing. I would have to go with not as in control reason myself. I can see them being an item, but eventually growing apart as Spock decides it's important to adhere to the Vulcan way. Which, according to Sarek, wouldn't mean leaving Earth women completely out.

And on an additional note, I know the Of Gods and Men movie isn't cannon, and I haven't seen it all the way, but doesn't Uhura marry a Vulcan in that? It could be Nichelle Nichols bringing something she knew behind the scenes of TOS to the film, that Uhura has a penchant for Vulcans.

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Report this Dec. 18 2009, 8:48 am

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Dec. 18 2009, 12:58 am)
Look.....This is not another " I'm bashing Abrams idiotic movie thread" but a little discussion of one of the (50) things I and some of us find silly about this silly movie,



Clearly all of the characters are weak copies of the original,
at least Chris Pine put some effort into making Kirk seem passable...Somewhat..

Zak Quinto while he may resemble Nimoy as a Spock is only a lifeless softer subdued version of the character.


Warning: don't read any further if you like the new MOVIE!

Zoe Saldana is utterly horrible as Uhura, Uhura is suppose to be a PROUD african as her name states, the actress that plays her is awful, (Thandie Newton would had been a better choice)
there is NO reference to her African culture whatsoever, she acts like a tough street girl from the hood, marching up to a superior officer and demand that she gets sign on to the Enterprise,
Naturally The wimpy Spock bows down to her demands,
I could NEVER imagine the Spock or Uhura from TOS acting so foolish,
Spocks planet is destroyed he's "emotionally compromised"
wouldn't a logical Vulcan woman serve his needs better ?
to put his mind in better focus, apparently the loons that wrote this movie never heard of Pon Farr.

Spock is about to risk his life at the end what does he say to Kirk as he's about to go ? say good bye to Uhura for me..
Would a precise mind dedicated to logic dwell on love at a critical moment ?

I'm sorry but horny Vulcans just don't work and it shouldn't work in Star Trek, we all know why they did it, to have the pointy eared guy be in love with the chick in the movie so it could be considered "cool." Like everything else in the movie
there is no explanation for anything, like in their relationship, it just happens..As a result the character of Spock and Uhura are gone, instead we get an updated Kim Kardasian version of Uhura, and a emotionally confused lover boy version of Spock, JJ Abrams did something Leonard Nimoy tried NOT to do for half his life, make Spock look silly, I can't believe Nimoy went along with this movie. One thing is certain, some people like it for what it is, others don't because it went against all we felt Star Trek represented, by making a Star Trek movie that's "not for nerds" JJ Abrams and his group of buffoons, took an interesting sci fi concept and made a mockery out of it and it's charcaters, giving us insulting versions of Spock and Uhura.

this topic is for discussion not for those simpletons who like to defend this movie with their last breath, and criticize others..
So in your opinions is Spock and Uhura's relationship bad or good ?

Yes it is another bash the movie thread you say it by saying this silly movie. We know you don't like it do you have to keep posting the same thing over and over and over and over again? :eyesroll:

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