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ST-TMP Dilemma

Vger23

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Report this Feb. 16 2010, 9:47 am

Quote (Vger_Speaks @ Feb. 15 2010, 11:33 pm)
Very late to this thread but I hardly ever sign on here anymore.

Anyway....I haven't seen the blue ray directors cut but can only imagine how it must look. I don't have a high def tv yet but when I do get one, Star Trek - The Motion Picture will be the very first thing I watch on it.

Be that as it may, I'm sure everyone loves the DC more then the original cut but I have to say...I LOVE the theatrical version. I was majorly pissed off when they cut out the computer voice, and changed plenty of the sound effects. I loved all the additional footage but, my goodness, they butchered all the things I grew to really enjoy when they fixed it up.

TMP looked absolutely fantastic on BR. It is easily the most astonishing movie of the original 10 in terms of how much better it looks on BR than on DVD.

I HIGHLY recommend it to anyone. It was like watching a whole new movie.

Also, the DC was an improvement in many ways...but I'm glad I own both versions now. I also miss the "little things" that were edited out like the computer voice. However, the addition of background sound effects on the Amar and Enterprise bridges, the tighter editing on the V'Ger fllyover, and the new digital images of the refit Enterprise are well worth it.

The only thing I can't get over is the deletion of some pretty significant / signature lines of dialogue:

Kirk's "Oh my god"

Kirk's annoyed repeat of "VIEWER OFF!"

and Decker's realization that "We all create God in our own image" (which was a nod to the "In Thy Image" script this story was derived from.)

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Report this Feb. 17 2010, 3:26 pm

Show him both versions.

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Report this Feb. 17 2010, 5:26 pm

I watched the Theatrical version the other night. My favorite moments are the great big SFX shots. No one talks, and just Jerry Goldsmith's score blaring away. Glorious. Even the PJ uniforms have grown on me!

Just two things:

Scotty just disappears from the movie! I think the last time I spotted him was when the plasma probes attacked the Enterprise, and they cut to a shot of Engineering going boom. Next time I remember seeing him was at the end when he arrives to tell Spock that they can get to Vulcan in four days!

Picture the corridors from TOS and the first three movies in your head. The ones in the movies are ridiculously tiny!

Not the greatest ST movie for me, but certainly an underrated one.

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Report this Feb. 17 2010, 7:12 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ Feb. 18 2010, 12:08 am)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 17 2010, 5:26 pm)
Scotty just disappears from the movie!

Not following...

Are you saying some Scotty scenes were missing from the director's cut compared to the theatrical version?

I just didn't see nor hear of Scotty in the second half of the film, until the epilogue on the Bridge. Uhura doesn't have that much to do either, but at least she's there on the Bridge trying to contact Starfleet Command.

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Report this Feb. 17 2010, 7:38 pm

Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 17 2010, 5:26 pm)
I watched the Theatrical version the other night. My favorite moments are the great big SFX shots. No one talks, and just Jerry Goldsmith's score blaring away. Glorious. Even the PJ uniforms have grown on me!

Just two things:

Scotty just disappears from the movie! I think the last time I spotted him was when the plasma probes attacked the Enterprise, and they cut to a shot of Engineering going boom. Next time I remember seeing him was at the end when he arrives to tell Spock that they can get to Vulcan in four days!

Picture the corridors from TOS and the first three movies in your head. The ones in the movies are ridiculously tiny!

Not the greatest ST movie for me, but certainly an underrated one.

The corridors from TMP are the exact same sets used in TWOK and TSFS.

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Report this Feb. 17 2010, 8:14 pm

Quote (trekbuff @ Feb. 18 2010, 12:23 am)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 17 2010, 7:12 pm)
Quote (trekbuff @ Feb. 18 2010, 12:08 am)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 17 2010, 5:26 pm)
Scotty just disappears from the movie!

Not following...

Are you saying some Scotty scenes were missing from the director's cut compared to the theatrical version?

I just didn't see nor hear of Scotty in the second half of the film, until the epilogue on the Bridge. Uhura doesn't have that much to do either, but at least she's there on the Bridge trying to contact Starfleet Command.

Note my question...

;)

No, I haven't compared the Director's Cut with the Theatrical cut.

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Report this Feb. 17 2010, 8:31 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ Feb. 18 2010, 12:38 am)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 17 2010, 5:26 pm)
I watched the Theatrical version the other night. My favorite moments are the great big SFX shots. No one talks, and just Jerry Goldsmith's score blaring away. Glorious. Even the PJ uniforms have grown on me!

Just two things:

Scotty just disappears from the movie! I think the last time I spotted him was when the plasma probes attacked the Enterprise, and they cut to a shot of Engineering going boom. Next time I remember seeing him was at the end when he arrives to tell Spock that they can get to Vulcan in four days!

Picture the corridors from TOS and the first three movies in your head. The ones in the movies are ridiculously tiny!

Not the greatest ST movie for me, but certainly an underrated one.

The corridors from TMP are the exact same sets used in TWOK and TSFS.

I know that, but compared to the corridors from the TV show, they are like matchboxes.

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Report this Feb. 17 2010, 8:36 pm

Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 17 2010, 8:31 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ Feb. 18 2010, 12:38 am)
Quote (sonofspock1 @ Feb. 17 2010, 5:26 pm)
I watched the Theatrical version the other night. My favorite moments are the great big SFX shots. No one talks, and just Jerry Goldsmith's score blaring away. Glorious. Even the PJ uniforms have grown on me!

Just two things:

Scotty just disappears from the movie! I think the last time I spotted him was when the plasma probes attacked the Enterprise, and they cut to a shot of Engineering going boom. Next time I remember seeing him was at the end when he arrives to tell Spock that they can get to Vulcan in four days!

Picture the corridors from TOS and the first three movies in your head. The ones in the movies are ridiculously tiny!

Not the greatest ST movie for me, but certainly an underrated one.

The corridors from TMP are the exact same sets used in TWOK and TSFS.

I know that, but compared to the corridors from the TV show, they are like matchboxes.

I think the rationale was that the corridors on the original show were much too large and took up precious volume within the ship. Designing smaller and more compact corridors was a step in a more realistic direction.

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Report this Feb. 18 2010, 1:31 am

I wish when they remade Star Trek - The Motion Picture , there was the option to turn on the original theatrical version all cleaned up with the added cloud and V'ger material. I thought about putting it all together on my own but it would be a massive under taking.

Opps, gotta run, the Enterprise is about to fly into the cloud. This is when the movie really grabs me. Also, when they approach the Voyager 6 set.....and when "V'ger Speaks" and the set lights turn red.

One of the funniest bits in the entire movie is when De says "Decker, you don't know what that will do to you!" Watch his bottom lip. Cracks me up every time.

Saw this movie 33 times at the theater back in '79 and '80. Then saw it 2 more times when it was re-released for the 20th anniversary (I think) back in the theater.

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Report this Feb. 18 2010, 11:41 am

Quote (Vger_Speaks @ Feb. 17 2010, 7:31 am)
Saw this movie 33 times at the theater back in '79 and '80. Then saw it 2 more times when it was re-released for the 20th anniversary (I think) back in the theater.

:cool:

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Report this Feb. 20 2010, 6:20 pm

As many times as I've tried, I just cannot make it through this movie without dozing off.  It's just... sooo.....  sloooooowwwwwwwww.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Should have called it TSMP - The Slow-Motion Picture...

I know many like it... I am not among them.  It's not 'bad', but I just find the whole movie intensely boring.

:(

Vger23

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Report this Feb. 21 2010, 10:08 am

Quote (StationK7 @ Feb. 20 2010, 6:20 pm)
As many times as I've tried, I just cannot make it through this movie without dozing off. ¿It's just... sooo..... ¿sloooooowwwwwwwww.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Should have called it TSMP - The Slow-Motion Picture...

I know many like it... I am not among them. ¿It's not 'bad', but I just find the whole movie intensely boring.

:(

Star Trek- The Slow Motion Picture

Haha! Now THAT'S funny! I don't think I've ever heard that one before!!

:eyesroll:

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Report this Feb. 21 2010, 9:38 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ Feb. 21 2010, 11:08 pm)
Quote (StationK7 @ Feb. 20 2010, 6:20 pm)
As many times as I've tried, I just cannot make it through this movie without dozing off. ?It's just... sooo..... ?sloooooowwwwwwwww.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Should have called it TSMP - The Slow-Motion Picture...

I know many like it... I am not among them. ?It's not 'bad', but I just find the whole movie intensely boring.

:(

Star Trek- The Slow Motion Picture

Haha! Now THAT'S funny! I don't think I've ever heard that one before!!

:eyesroll:

With all due respect, they've been calling it that since 1979.

Vger23

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 9:11 am

Quote (ssmukhi @ Feb. 21 2010, 9:38 pm)
Quote (Vger23 @ Feb. 21 2010, 11:08 pm)
Quote (StationK7 @ Feb. 20 2010, 6:20 pm)
As many times as I've tried, I just cannot make it through this movie without dozing off. ?It's just... sooo..... ?sloooooowwwwwwwww.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Should have called it TSMP - The Slow-Motion Picture...

I know many like it... I am not among them. ?It's not 'bad', but I just find the whole movie intensely boring.

:(

Star Trek- The Slow Motion Picture

Haha! Now THAT'S funny! I don't think I've ever heard that one before!!

:eyesroll:

With all due respect, they've been calling it that since 1979.

Really? No kidding....! Have they REALLY!!!!???



I thought the "eye rolling" icon would have clued you into the sarcasm in my post.

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Report this Feb. 22 2010, 10:47 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ Feb. 22 2010, 10:11 pm)
Really? No kidding....! Have they REALLY!!!!???



I thought the "eye rolling" icon would have clued you into the sarcasm in my post.

Oops, sorry but I can be dense sometimes.

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