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JJ Please Stop!!!!!!!!!

Zachary

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 12:37 am

Im sorry JJ, but did you really expect us to believe that The Enterprise's 23rd century voice responding computer would be unable to understand a Russian accent?!?!?!? ¿GET A FREAKING CLUE!!! It's a 23rd century compurter built at the Utopia Panitia Yards on the Planet Mars. a Planet that has been colonized by humans. A race that comes from a planet called Earth (you may have heard of it.) And on Earth there is a country called Russia. And in Russia the Humans speak Russian with (thats right) a Russian accent. But that computer had no problem (not that it should have) with understanding Spock's Vulcan accent.

Did you also really expect us to believe that Hikaru Sulu (even though he's fresh out of the academy) would forget to release the "parking brake" (by the way it's not called a parking break) prior to launch. HELLO!!!! HE'S THE HELMSMAN OF THE FLEET'S FLAG SHIP!!!

I also have a very difficult time excepting the idea that the death of George Kirk would be such a focal point in time that Checkov, Sulu, Uhura, and McCoy, would all enter the acadamy at the same time and that with the exception of McCoy they are all roughly the same age. And perhapse you may want to look into the history of earning rank in the military. There is no way in the firey deapths of hell that a man fresh out of the acadamy would be automaticaly promoted from Ensign to Captain. Jim Kirk skiped over Liutenent Junior Grade, Liutenent, Liutenent Comander, and Comander. thats 4 ranks. 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!!! Also, Spock being the logical person he is would never have a personal relationship with a subordinate much less his student. Doesn't that violate some sort of ethics code? And it wouldn't have mattered if Uhura had gone to the Federation president directly. She would never have succesfully demanded a reassignment to the Enterprise. She would have taken her assigned post or resigned the commission she just spent four years earning. Again study up on your military protocols!!! And finaly we come to young Jim Kirk. How many kids that age in our 21st century listen to music from 200 years ago? What was running through your brain that told you "Duh!! Lets have young Jimmy be a Lincoln Park Fan.

We all know you are not a Trek fan and thats fine. Alot of people aren't. But I beg you please stop butchering this great franchise. Don't turn it into Star Wars. George Lucas dosen't need your help. Hes doing just fine with out you!!!

PhantomCrunk007

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 12:55 am

WoW, imagine how bent you would be about something that actually mattered in life.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 1:10 am

Okay, so this is the point where you will get your ass handed to you.  Allow me to be the first one to do it.

The computer recognized his Russian accent, but the "W" sounds n place of the "V" sounds is something that apparently only Chekov does.  Therefore it hasn't been broken into to recognize Chekov's voice commands.

Let's go on from there.

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It's a 23rd century compurter built at the Utopia Panitia Yards on the Planet Mars.


It is?

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Did you also really expect us to believe that Hikaru Sulu (even though he's fresh out of the academy) would forget to release the "parking brake"


He did, so believe it.

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HELLO!!!! HE'S THE HELMSMAN OF THE FLEET'S FLAG SHIP!!!


Actually, Sulu started off as the ship's Botonist ("Where No Man Has Gone Before".)  It was made apparent that he was filling in for the ship's main helmsmen.  You can put 2+2 together here perhaps.

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And perhapse you may want to look into the history of earning rank in the military. There is no way in the firey deapths of hell that a man fresh out of the acadamy would be automaticaly promoted from Ensign to Captain. Jim Kirk skiped over Liutenent Junior Grade, Liutenent, Liutenent Comander, and Comander. thats 4 ranks. 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!!!


Been there, done that.

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Doesn't that violate some sort of ethics code?


Did it ever in the other Star Treks?  I really don't want to have to go through the list here.

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She would have taken her assigned post or resigned the commission she just spent four years earning. Again study up on your military protocols!!!


Irrelevant.  Starfleet isn't the military of today.  The military of today isn't the military of 200 years ago.  Etc.

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What was running through your brain that told you "Duh!! Lets have young Jimmy be a Lincoln Park Fan.


For one, the band you are referring to spells their name "Linkin Park."  Plus the music was courtesy of "The Beastie Boys."

Besides, all Jimmy did was press the "Media" button on the console.  What makes you think it is specifically Jim's favorite song?

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Don't turn it into Star Wars. George Lucas dosen't need your help. Hes doing just fine with out you!!!


So old.  What other name(s) do you post under?

Zachary

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 1:27 am

dont get me wrong I do care very deeply about reality and whats going on in the world. Iknow startrek isnt real. at a convention i laughed at a man who handed me an aplication form and asked me if i wanted to join starfleet. so i do have my head in the real world. Its just that the Star Trek franchise has always been a means of escape from reality for just a little while.  and I always thought it was interesting that the writers did their collective best to keep the situations in the sories as closely related to reality as possible.  such as in the TNG episode Silicon Avatar. Dr. Marr destroyed the chrystaline entity by overmodulating its frequency harmonics.  Im an electronics tech. and in electronic circuitry chrystals are used.  and they will shatter if overmodulation occurs.  The writers keep the basic science real.  its beleavable. and the writers of this movie failed to keep that and other aspects in mind.  they made a good sci-fi movie but it wasnt star trek.

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 1:34 am

Quote (Zachary @ Dec. 14 2009, 10:27 am)
dont get me wrong I do care very deeply about reality and whats going on in the world. Iknow startrek isnt real. at a convention i laughed at a man who handed me an aplication form and asked me if i wanted to join starfleet. so i do have my head in the real world. Its just that the Star Trek franchise has always been a means of escape from reality for just a little while. ¿and I always thought it was interesting that the writers did their collective best to keep the situations in the sories as closely related to reality as possible. ¿such as in the TNG episode Silicon Avatar. Dr. Marr destroyed the chrystaline entity by overmodulating its frequency harmonics. ¿Im an electronics tech. and in electronic circuitry chrystals are used. ¿and they will shatter if overmodulation occurs. ¿The writers keep the basic science real. ¿its beleavable. and the writers of this movie failed to keep that and other aspects in mind. ¿they made a good sci-fi movie but it wasnt star trek.

Maybe to you it wasn't Star Trek, but to me and the majority of people who saw it, It was Star Trek.


It wasn't 100% accurate science, oh well, IT'S ALL MAKE BELIEVE ANYWAYS.

Zachary

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 1:56 am

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the music you reffer to in tng was never said to have been listended to by children, but by mainly picard.  when has anyone ever been promoted over 4 ranks except in extreme situations.  there were far more expeirienced officers on the ship to take comand.  forgige my mis spelling of linkin.  but yes one of the song was from them.  and you are right that other crappy band was on the soun trak as well.  and last i checked frank zappa was not from 200 years ago.  you are right about the accent of chekov.  but the computer still should have taken accent pronunciation and ununciation into account.  and yes starfleet ships are built at the utopia planitia yards.  as far as sulus position on the ship again you are correct. however in this movie he was not a botonist his assignment was helmsman. and concerning spoks logic again you are correct he did become more logicaly wize with age.  however an affair with a student he would never have no matter how young he was. please enlighten me with your list. and as far as uhura goes again you are correct it is not the same kind of military as today. but what ever the time period, you still have to apply for transfers that go up the chain of command.

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 1:59 am

Quote (Zachary @ Dec. 15 2009, 1:27 am)
The writers keep the basic science real. ¿its beleavable.

Such as sound in space, flying around the sun to go back in time, etc.  All real science, correct?

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they made a good sci-fi movie but it wasnt star trek.


I can understand the confusion.  It was well made, well received, and very successful, something not really associated with Star Trek often.  Rest assured, it was Star Trek.

Otherwise, how could it "butcher Star Trek," as you put it, if it's not "Star Trek?"  That's a bit of a contradiction.

Zachary

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:00 am

to WkdYngMan

and yes i know my spelling is bad.

Zachary

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:04 am

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not all real science there would be not sound in space true.  the sling shot around the sun is a real THEORY.  has yet to be proven though.

Zachary

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:07 am

My exact words were "basic science"

Angel_of_Shadows

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:12 am

Quote (Zachary @ Dec. 15 2009, 1:56 am)
to WkdYngMan
the music you reffer to in tng was never said to have been listended to by children, but by mainly picard. ¿when has anyone ever been promoted over 4 ranks except in extreme situations. ¿there were far more expeirienced officers on the ship to take comand. ¿forgige my mis spelling of linkin. ¿but yes one of the song was from them. ¿and you are right that other crappy band was on the soun trak as well. ¿and last i checked frank zappa was not from 200 years ago. ¿you are right about the accent of chekov. ¿but the computer still should have taken accent pronunciation and ununciation into account. ¿and yes starfleet ships are built at the utopia planitia yards. ¿as far as sulus position on the ship again you are correct. however in this movie he was not a botonist his assignment was helmsman. and concerning spoks logic again you are correct he did become more logicaly wize with age. ¿however an affair with a student he would never have no matter how young he was. please enlighten me with your list. and as far as uhura goes again you are correct it is not the same kind of military as today. but what ever the time period, you still have to apply for transfers that go up the chain of command.

You're missing the point. A lot of people like music from years before they were born, and quality music lasts forever.

While it's true that JJ could have picked better artists to feature in the movie, it's not unfeasible that James Kirk would like to listen to music from our era.

The jumping ranks Kirk did in this move was an emergency, and if you pay attention even a little, Pike did make Kirk first officer. The only other person on the ship that wasn't a cadet (that we implicitly know of) was Spock anyway. Spock took himself off duty, leaving his first officer (Kirk) in command. It really does make sense if you think about it.

In the original Trek universe, the Enterprise NCC-1701 was not built at Utopia Planitia anyway; she was built at the San Francisco Shipyard. :logical:

Also, military members are not forced to go on assignment the way you suggest they are. They can request a transfer. Did Uhura do it right by today's standards? No. Could standards have changed by then to where she could go to the President? Certainly.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:19 am

Quote (Zachary @ Dec. 15 2009, 1:56 am)
to WkdYngMan
the music you reffer to in tng was never said to have been listended to by children, but by mainly picard.

Was it said that they don't listen to it?  Hmm.

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there were far more expeirienced officers on the ship to take comand.


Right.  I never said I disagreed with the notion.  It was one of only just a few issues I had with the film.  But I'm not freaking out over it.

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and you are right that other crappy band was on the soun trak as well.


"The Beastie Boys" is the ONLY established act to have music in the film.

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but the computer still should have taken accent pronunciation and ununciation into account.


It was a speech impediment only for Chekov.  It still has to learn his voice, etc.  All perfectly fine.

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as far as sulus position on the ship again you are correct.


I know.

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and concerning spoks logic again you are correct he did become more logicaly wize with age.  however an affair with a student he would never have no matter how young he was.


How could he never have done it when we know he did?

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and as far as uhura goes again you are correct it is not the same kind of military as today. but what ever the time period, you still have to apply for transfers that go up the chain of command.


All Spock had to do was change the assignment list, and no one would know.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:22 am

Quote (Zachary @ Dec. 15 2009, 2:04 am)
the sling shot around the sun is a real THEORY.

Then it's theoretical science, as a few of the things in this film and the rest of Star Trek are that you claimed the writers supposedly abandoned.

Zachary

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:30 am

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thank you for your corection on where the ship was built you are correct. i forgot that.  and i know pike made him first officer however he never actualy gave him the rank of comander i dont think. i may be wrong. but even if he did thats still irregular as hell.  i guess it is possible for uhura to have her posting changed like that but even in tng it was said in the episode "lessons" that personell transfers have to go through the chain of command.  on the st:ent tucker's tranfer to the nx02 had to be aproved by starfleet. i also agree that people listen to music from all eras.  but for the very most part kids tent to listen to whats new.  maybe young jimmy is one of the exceptions.  but it is unlikely.  Thank you for your insight i realy apreciate what you had to say.  i welcome your thoughts on other points as well.  thank you!!

Angel_of_Shadows

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:32 am

"Most kids" do not listen to what's "new".

Most kids listen to what they're exposed to.

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