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Beaming Through Raised Shields

CornishMonkey

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Report this Dec. 13 2009, 1:42 pm

Chronic, they're all into the super-high tech in Voyager. Nothing is impossible for the champions of technobabble.

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Report this Dec. 13 2009, 1:57 pm

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Quote (CornishMonkey @ Dec. 13 2009, 12:42 pm)
Chronic, they're all into the super-high tech in Voyager. Nothing is impossible for the champions of technobabble.

I hate that shit.




I hate it even more when they don't even explain it.

Both instances with the shields... they were under attack and being fired upon.. and they just beam someone up. No dialogue contained any mention of the shields (raising, lowering, modifying, etc.) what so ever.



I DETEST!! ¿ ¿ :laugh: ¿:laugh:

I just tune out from the dialogue when they start cranking the Mumbo-Jumbo Pump.

It's like being on the phone to my Mum and just responding with "mmm-hmm" and "ah-ha" as she's going on and on and on. :laugh:

brcarthey

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Report this Dec. 13 2009, 2:37 pm

there are two logical possibilities for this being able to occur:

1. the transporters are tuned to the same shield harmonics/frequency and therefore can beam through. it's the same principle as when enemy fire can get through the shields and damage the ship b/c the enemy ammo is the same frequency as the shields.

2. there is a split second where the shields cycle off to allow the transport beam through. think of it like the old school bi-planes where the machine guns mounted behind the propeller had a special gear that turned in time with the propeller.  that way the pilot could fire at his enemy without fear of shooting out his own propeller.

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Report this Dec. 13 2009, 6:45 pm

Quote (brcarthey @ Dec. 13 2009, 2:37 pm)
there are two logical possibilities for this being able to occur:

1. the transporters are tuned to the same shield harmonics/frequency and therefore can beam through. it's the same principle as when enemy fire can get through the shields and damage the ship b/c the enemy ammo is the same frequency as the shields.

2. there is a split second where the shields cycle off to allow the transport beam through. think of it like the old school bi-planes where the machine guns mounted behind the propeller had a special gear that turned in time with the propeller. ¿that way the pilot could fire at his enemy without fear of shooting out his own propeller.

What a dilema! I can't figure out who the bigger nerd is. Chronic for being upset that there was no explanation for them being able to beam someone through the shields, or Brcarthey for being able to actually explain it. :p :laugh:

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Report this Dec. 13 2009, 8:44 pm

Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Dec. 13 2009, 6:45 pm)
Quote (brcarthey @ Dec. 13 2009, 2:37 pm)
there are two logical possibilities for this being able to occur:

1. the transporters are tuned to the same shield harmonics/frequency and therefore can beam through. it's the same principle as when enemy fire can get through the shields and damage the ship b/c the enemy ammo is the same frequency as the shields.

2. there is a split second where the shields cycle off to allow the transport beam through. think of it like the old school bi-planes where the machine guns mounted behind the propeller had a special gear that turned in time with the propeller. ?that way the pilot could fire at his enemy without fear of shooting out his own propeller.

What a dilema! I can't figure out who the bigger nerd is. Chronic for being upset that there was no explanation for them being able to beam someone through the shields, or Brcarthey for being able to actually explain it. :p :laugh:

*takes a bow* :D  :laugh:

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Report this Dec. 13 2009, 9:03 pm

I love Brcarthey's explanation.... and as a result, I concur...

Vold

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 6:06 am

can someone point out some examples of which episodes did this.
:)

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 7:43 am

Quote (Vold @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:06 am)
can someone point out some examples of which episodes did this.
:)

Uh oh. Something tells me there might not be any, if Vold is asking this question.  :blush:

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 10:39 am

Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Dec. 15 2009, 7:43 am)
Quote (Vold @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:06 am)
can someone point out some examples of which episodes did this.
:)

Uh oh. Something tells me there might not be any, if Vold is asking this question. ¿:blush:

You know!!!

Back up and give my man some room.   :laugh:

Vold

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:27 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Dec. 15 2009, 9:26 am)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:43 am)
Quote (Vold @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:06 am)
can someone point out some examples of which episodes did this.
:)

Uh oh. Something tells me there might not be any, if Vold is asking this question. ?:blush:

There are at least two.

One in season two, one in season three. Or maybe both in season three.

And their titles are?
:)

EDITED
If you can't remember the title, than try to remember the scene, what was it about, beaming what / who, from where to where, what alien is involved if any.

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 2:37 pm

Quote (brcarthey @ Dec. 13 2009, 2:37 pm)
there are two logical possibilities for this being able to occur:

1. the transporters are tuned to the same shield harmonics/frequency and therefore can beam through. it's the same principle as when enemy fire can get through the shields and damage the ship b/c the enemy ammo is the same frequency as the shields.

2. there is a split second where the shields cycle off to allow the transport beam through. think of it like the old school bi-planes where the machine guns mounted behind the propeller had a special gear that turned in time with the propeller. ¿that way the pilot could fire at his enemy without fear of shooting out his own propeller.

There is a third explanation, used in Star Trek: Insurrection. When they beamed Picard off the radiation collector, the routed the transporter beam through a very, very tiny gap in the shields dead center between the shield generators.

Which to me sounds all fanboy-ish and godmodd-y. :laugh:

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Report this Dec. 15 2009, 7:07 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:40 pm)
Quote (Vold @ Dec. 15 2009, 1:27 pm)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Dec. 15 2009, 9:26 am)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:43 am)
Quote (Vold @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:06 am)
can someone point out some examples of which episodes did this.
:)

Uh oh. Something tells me there might not be any, if Vold is asking this question. ?:blush:

There are at least two.

One in season two, one in season three. Or maybe both in season three.

And their titles are?
:)

EDITED
If you can't remember the title, than try to remember the scene, what was it about, beaming what / who, from where to where, what alien is involved if any.

They are in seasons 2 and 3 or just 3.

I don't remember the names.

I wouldn't lie about something like this, as saying something like that wouldn't benefit me in any way.

one of them is "maneuvers" when torres is trying to beam chakotay off the kazon ship at the end.

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Report this Dec. 16 2009, 1:05 am

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Dec. 16 2009, 12:05 am)
Quote (brcarthey @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:07 pm)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:40 pm)
Quote (Vold @ Dec. 15 2009, 1:27 pm)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Dec. 15 2009, 9:26 am)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:43 am)
Quote (Vold @ Dec. 15 2009, 6:06 am)
can someone point out some examples of which episodes did this.
:)

Uh oh. Something tells me there might not be any, if Vold is asking this question. ?:blush:

There are at least two.

One in season two, one in season three. Or maybe both in season three.

And their titles are?
:)

EDITED
If you can't remember the title, than try to remember the scene, what was it about, beaming what / who, from where to where, what alien is involved if any.

They are in seasons 2 and 3 or just 3.

I don't remember the names.

I wouldn't lie about something like this, as saying something like that wouldn't benefit me in any way.

one of them is "maneuvers" when torres is trying to beam chakotay off the kazon ship at the end.

Once again, BR with the score!


Thanks.

you're welcome. :)

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Report this Dec. 16 2009, 3:25 am

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Dec. 13 2009, 12:18 pm)
I've seen it done on at least two different occasions in two different episodes. This is just through seasons 1-3 as I only just now reached season 4.

I was wondering where they came up with the technology to do this... or did they (the producers) just screw up??

I saw its screw ups.

Beaming trew shields has been seen on other treks as well.

Sometimes even after memtioning it wasnt possible.

In TNG's first season episode "The Battle" its mentioned that they cant beam Picard off the Stargazzer because the shields are up.....and a short while later Daimon Bok beams off the ship.

brcarthey

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Report this Dec. 16 2009, 9:37 am

Quote (Yanks @ Dec. 16 2009, 6:19 am)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Dec. 13 2009, 12:18 pm)
I've seen it done on at least two different occasions in two different episodes. This is just through seasons 1-3 as I only just now reached season 4.

I was wondering where they came up with the technology to do this... or did they (the producers) just screw up??

TheChronicOne ,

Do you know the episodes?

That might help in the explanation.

yanks, i mentioned one, "maneuvers." it occurs at the end of the episode while torres is trying to beam chakotay off the kazon ship. VOY is under attack while doing this and tuvok mentions the shields are down to 20%.

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