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USS ?, Ship Names

PackerFan10

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 5:25 pm

My History Teacher and I got in an arguement over why the Enterprise has U.S.S. in front of it. I say that as long as it stands for United States Ship why is it there. She says it's because the Enterprise name started on a U.S. Naval Ship. While this might be true U.S.S. seems to be used with every Federation ship. And I don't think that Yomato or Kobiske Moru where ever United States Ships. Wouldn't U.F.P.S. be the correct accromin, although it definatly isn't as catchy?

Pooneil

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 6:52 pm

According to some people, Captain Kirk included, the initials USS stand for "United Space Ship". This is because the Enterprise was so-named before Roddenberry came up with the Federation -- the USS was just a generic thing you tack onto the front of any ship name. By now it's become like NCC which goes in front of every registry number, there's no actual meaning to it that's been given in any episode.

DS9TREK

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 7:08 am

To give credit where it's due Gene Coon came up with the Federation. Roddenberry tried stealing the credit after Coon died.

stovokor2000

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 8:27 am

According to Rodenberry the U.S.S. stands for United Space Ship or United Star Ship.

USS Identifying prefix used as part of the names of the Federation star ships [as in USS Enterprise ].There is some question as to what USS stands actually stands for . Captain Pike once identified the Enterprise as a United Space Ship . While it was called a United Space Ship in other episodes .

Source(s):
Star Trek Encyclopedia page 362

I'm not sure why any long time Trek fan would believe it stood for " United States Ship" since Earth is governed by a United Earth Government and Star Fleet serves the entire Federation and not just earth.

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 9:02 am

Quote (starbase63 @ Dec. 11 2009, 8:32 am)
Didn't Pike call the ship "the United Space Vehicle Enterprise?" I remember someone calling it that early on.

I believe your right.

If not Pike someone did.

stovokor2000

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 12:02 pm

Quote (Yanks @ Dec. 11 2009, 9:12 am)
I'm sure Memory Alpha will have the answer.

Speaking of Memory Alpha.

Is it me or did they just start including info from the Animated Series as canon???

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 12:27 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Dec. 11 2009, 12:18 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Dec. 11 2009, 12:02 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ Dec. 11 2009, 9:12 am)
I'm sure Memory Alpha will have the answer.

Speaking of Memory Alpha.

Is it me or did they just start including info from the Animated Series as canon???

There's bits of TAS that have been used in mainstream Trek and have therefore become canon...

Even the look of Vulcan cities in ENT and the three Vulcan bullies picking on young Spock in STXI are taken from TAS, "Yesteryear" in particular.

All it would take is CBS to pronounce the series is once again canon to solve a lot of confusion.

:logical:

I'm not talking about "tid bits" and such.

I'm talking about specific adventures or stories from TAS.

If you look at Spocks profile, the events of Yester year are recorded as part of his history.

Pooneil

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 1:18 pm

Quote (DS9TREK @ Dec. 11 2009, 7:08 am)
To give credit where it's due Gene Coon came up with the Federation. Roddenberry tried stealing the credit after Coon died.

Gene Coon also wrote most of my favorite TOS episodes. Too bad he wasn't around when they started making the movies or Next Gen.

stovokor2000

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 9:13 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Dec. 11 2009, 1:34 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Dec. 11 2009, 12:27 pm)
Quote (starbase63 @ Dec. 11 2009, 12:18 pm)
Quote (stovokor2000 @ Dec. 11 2009, 12:02 pm)
Quote (Yanks @ Dec. 11 2009, 9:12 am)
I'm sure Memory Alpha will have the answer.

Speaking of Memory Alpha.

Is it me or did they just start including info from the Animated Series as canon???

There's bits of TAS that have been used in mainstream Trek and have therefore become canon...

Even the look of Vulcan cities in ENT and the three Vulcan bullies picking on young Spock in STXI are taken from TAS, "Yesteryear" in particular.

All it would take is CBS to pronounce the series is once again canon to solve a lot of confusion.

:logical:

I'm not talking about "tid bits" and such.

I'm talking about specific adventures or stories from TAS.

If you look at Spocks profile, the events of Yester year are recorded as part of his history.

Some say that "Yesteryear" is considered canon because it gives so much backstory of Spock, and for the fact it was written by Dorothy "D.C." Fontana, who was the person who did much of the development of Spock's character back in the days of TOS.

:logical:

I'm just surprised that MA is including it as canon.

And as I continue to look trew other profiles on MA I find more evidence that they are accepting TAS as canon.

Harry Mudd's, James Kirk's and Uhura's profiles all contains info from TAS.

OtakuJo

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Report this Dec. 12 2009, 6:19 pm

Seems to me to have possibly been a boo-boo that has been ret-conned out as "United Space Ship" or whatever else.

But it's true -- WHY would the Federation call their ships "United States Ship" which is ridiculous when you really think about it. HMS would be just as appropriate (ridiculous) in that regard.

~ HMNZS? ~ See what I mean about USS being a ridiculous insignia for the future Federation if that's what it means.

Another example though is with Kobayashi-Maru. (Maru indicates the designation of Japanese ships.)

PS Wow I wish my teachers had been cool enough to be interested in arguing about Star Trek ship names.

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