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new ST movie - canon or not?

blackfrancis

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 12:59 pm

Sorry if this has been discussed previously, but I was just re-watching STTNG S5 ep 7 'Unification' which seems to contain many contradictions to the new Star Trek movie regarding Spock's parentage.  Is the new movie not meant to be part of the same canon as TNG?

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 1:08 pm

No it is a parallel universe

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 1:09 pm

Alternate timeline.

blackfrancis

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 1:24 pm

Hm, even igonring the new movie, in Unification Picard says he only met Spock once, but the encyclopedia says Picard was present at Spock's wedding.

blackfrancis

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 1:29 pm

No, at 4:04
Riker: "How well do you know Spock?"
Picard: "I only met him once.."

blackfrancis

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 1:39 pm

I guess ;)

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 4:06 pm

Quote (starbase63 @ Dec. 11 2009, 3:44 am)
Of course in the new timeline, things are already very different...who knows what will happen by the time it gets up into the late 24th century...

:logical:

Can't wait to find out  ;)

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 4:31 pm

Quote (blackfrancis @ Dec. 10 2009, 1:29 pm)
No, at 4:04
Riker: "How well do you know Spock?"
Picard: "I only met him once.."

I don't understand how Picard meeting or not meeting Spock has anything to do with the new movie being "canon" or not.

It is an alternate reality created by the timeline incursion and alterations made by Nero's presence and interference.

Anything after 1/03/2233 is not the same as it was in the original timeline. The instant Nero's starship appeared and destroyed the USS Kelvin, a new reality was created.

This was actally covered in the new film.

tribblenator999

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 6:36 pm

the new movie establishes its own canon.  So in a way yes and no.

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Report this Dec. 12 2009, 5:30 am

Quote (Vger23 @ Dec. 10 2009, 4:31 pm)
Quote (blackfrancis @ Dec. 10 2009, 1:29 pm)
No, at 4:04
Riker: "How well do you know Spock?"
Picard: "I only met him once.."

I don't understand how Picard meeting or not meeting Spock has anything to do with the new movie being "canon" or not.

I was wondering about that too.

Picard is only 70 something years old, not over a century. So how does him seeing Spock in a wedding many decades after Kirk's time has anything to compare about.
:)

Are you thinking about the "Wedding" in a TOS episode?
That wedding didn't pull through IIRC.
So he probably got married again later in the 24th C.

blackfrancis
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I was just re-watching STTNG S5 ep 7 'Unification' which seems to contain many contradictions to the new Star Trek movie regarding Spock's parentage.

What about his parantage?

Chakotay78

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Report this Jan. 01 2010, 6:16 pm

In my opinion the "altered timeline" is a slap in the face. The altered timeline is just an excuse for getting rid of all the things that TNG, DS9 and VOY went trough withouth having to deal with them.

I'm not a stranger to Star Trek's famous "timeline issues", but c'mon give me a break!

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Report this Jan. 01 2010, 6:20 pm

Quote (Chakotay78 @ Jan. 01 2010, 6:16 pm)
In my opinion the "altered timeline" is a slap in the face. The altered timeline is just an excuse for getting rid of all the things that TNG, DS9 and VOY went trough withouth having to deal with them.

I'm not a stranger to Star Trek's famous "timeline issues", but c'mon give me a break!

From the interview,

unlike other show rebooting, ST is not chucking the old timeline away, it is there to remain for future writers to mingle with.

While having the new timeline for other future writers to mingle with as well.

:)

BrotherofShran01

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Report this Jan. 01 2010, 6:21 pm

TAU Canon

draeden06

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Report this Jan. 01 2010, 8:42 pm

JJverse canon = Jagon?

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Report this Jan. 01 2010, 9:08 pm

Quote (draeden06 @ Jan. 01 2010, 8:42 pm)
JJverse canon = Jagon?


Janon actually!

:laugh: ¿:cool:

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