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Tolerance. Acceptance.

Kirk_vs_Kahn

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:08 pm

Do some posters on here even understand this?

Star Trek has always been about bettering ourselves. Respecting others and their opinions. And just being fair minded.

There are some on these boards (DJ, wellthatwasawaste, etc) who seem to not understand this. They attack those who like something they don't. I'm talking, of course, about Trek XI.

Why are these guys on some crusade to 'convert' others to their thinking? Why do they make their opinions 'FACT' when they are not. Why do they call us names and try to belittle us who enjoy something they don't?

Is that what the idea of Star trek is about? I'm sorry, but how can you call yourself a Trek fan if you can't respect other peoples opinions and thoughts? You don't have to agree with them, you just have to accept that others have different ideas to what yours are.

I can accept that people don't like something I like. Hell, they don't have to give me an explanation for it. If they don't like it and they leave it at that, then fine. I will not call that person an idiot. Same the other way. You like something I don't? Ok.

What i'm trying to say is, and I seem to be going around the world here, is that Star Trek is about; Tolerance, Acceptance, Bettering ourselves and respecting others, and their opinions/ideas.

Some on these boards seem to have forgotten that. Trek fans? I wonder.

Kirk_vs_Kahn

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:14 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Dec. 06 2009, 8:26 pm)
Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Dec. 05 2009, 7:29 pm)
Wow, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

I am saying women are dumb?!? How did you possibly come to that conclusion? You love putting words in peoples mouths because you can't make a legitimate argument.

The dvd commentary has abrams and orci specifically saying they wanted to make a movie that appealed to women. This means that they are making decisions based on marketing not on quality. If I have to explain this to you than YOU are dumb, whether you are a woman or a man.

I can't help you if you are intimadated by people who make sense. Unbelievable.

wellthatwasawaste, I agree with everything you said,
Orci and Kurtzman totally ruin Star Trek, by dumbing it down to the lowest level,
but don't waste your time here, my friend, if you don't soak the new Trek movie in praises some of the clowns around here will condemn you and call you BAD, WICKED AND EVIL names,
we'll get revenge when the sequel bombs.


This is what i mean.

rocketscientist

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:20 pm

I think you're preaching to the choir for most of the people here KvK.  

I know it's irritating that most of us have to be subjected to this kind of junk, but, really, its best not to let it get to you.

I've asked my wife, who's a psychiatrist, about this sort of behaviour that you're referring to here.  Her policy for people who engage in this is to just ignore them.  I do that sometimes and sometimes I do reply.  I try not to let it get to me, although some people, like the creepy mysognist who says disgusting things about moms and wives who's on his fourth username (and still under the fantasy that we all don't know who he is), or the bigot and anti-semite suffering from narcisstic personality disorder, and others, are hard to ignore.  I think most of them are just really angry, alienated, and unhappy people who need some validation and attention or something.  

So, if anything, feel pity for them.  Try not to let them get to you.  It's just not worth it.

RomulusRemus

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:21 pm

Get over it.
JJ's movie sucked.

Kirk_vs_Kahn

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:25 pm

Quote (rocketscientist @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:20 pm)
I think you're preaching to the choir for most of the people here KvK. ?

I know it's irritating that most of us have to be subjected to this kind of junk, but, really, its best not to let it get to you.

I've asked my wife, who's a psychiatrist, about this sort of behaviour that you're referring to here. ?Her policy for people who engage in this is to just ignore them. ?I do that sometimes and sometimes I do reply. ?I try not to let it get to me, although some people, like the creepy mysognist who says disgusting things about moms and wives who's on his fourth username (and still under the fantasy that we all don't know who he is), or the bigot and anti-semite suffering from narcisstic personality disorder, and others, are hard to ignore. ?I think most of them are just really angry, alienated, and unhappy people who need some validation and attention or something. ?

So, if anything, feel pity for them. ?Try not to let them get to you. ?It's just not worth it.

RS, my friend, it's not getting to me. In fact, this thread was created to point something out to them.

As, RomulusRemus has demonstrated...

Quote:


Get over it.
JJ's movie sucked.


...they don't have what Trek is about. What are we to get over? That he thinks the film sucks? I'm over it. He isn't over, or can't accept, that we think it's a good-brilliant film.

This thread is just pointing some stuff out :). Don't worry, i find most of the rants humorous :)

rocketscientist

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:27 pm

Quote (RomulusRemus @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:21 pm)
Get over it.
JJ's movie sucked.

Right on cue.

Kirk_vs_Kahn

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:27 pm

Check my above post

rocketscientist

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:29 pm

Quote (Kirk_vs_Kahn @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:25 pm)
Quote (rocketscientist @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:20 pm)
I think you're preaching to the choir for most of the people here KvK. ?

I know it's irritating that most of us have to be subjected to this kind of junk, but, really, its best not to let it get to you.

I've asked my wife, who's a psychiatrist, about this sort of behaviour that you're referring to here. ?Her policy for people who engage in this is to just ignore them. ?I do that sometimes and sometimes I do reply. ?I try not to let it get to me, although some people, like the creepy mysognist who says disgusting things about moms and wives who's on his fourth username (and still under the fantasy that we all don't know who he is), or the bigot and anti-semite suffering from narcisstic personality disorder, and others, are hard to ignore. ?I think most of them are just really angry, alienated, and unhappy people who need some validation and attention or something. ?

So, if anything, feel pity for them. ?Try not to let them get to you. ?It's just not worth it.

RS, my friend, it's not getting to me. In fact, this thread was created to point something out to them.

As, RomulusRemus has demonstrated...

Quote:


Get over it.
JJ's movie sucked.


...they don't have what Trek is about. What are we to get over? That he thinks the film sucks? I'm over it. He isn't over, or can't accept, that we think it's a good-brilliant film.

This thread is just pointing some stuff out :). Don't worry, i find most of the rants humorous :)

Just watch yourself, KvK.  One of these guys reported me for objecting to lies he made about me to the mods.  I didn't get a warning, but my post got pulled.  I wasn't allowed, apparently, to defend myself wrt the lies he made.  

I'd hate to see you get into trouble for something like that, bro.  

Be careful is all I'm saying.

rocketscientist

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:29 pm

Quote (Kirk_vs_Kahn @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:27 pm)
Check my above post

Yeah, it's classic OCD.

Kirk_vs_Kahn

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:32 pm

Quote (rocketscientist @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:29 pm)
Quote (Kirk_vs_Kahn @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:25 pm)
Quote (rocketscientist @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:20 pm)
I think you're preaching to the choir for most of the people here KvK. ?

I know it's irritating that most of us have to be subjected to this kind of junk, but, really, its best not to let it get to you.

I've asked my wife, who's a psychiatrist, about this sort of behaviour that you're referring to here. ?Her policy for people who engage in this is to just ignore them. ?I do that sometimes and sometimes I do reply. ?I try not to let it get to me, although some people, like the creepy mysognist who says disgusting things about moms and wives who's on his fourth username (and still under the fantasy that we all don't know who he is), or the bigot and anti-semite suffering from narcisstic personality disorder, and others, are hard to ignore. ?I think most of them are just really angry, alienated, and unhappy people who need some validation and attention or something. ?

So, if anything, feel pity for them. ?Try not to let them get to you. ?It's just not worth it.

RS, my friend, it's not getting to me. In fact, this thread was created to point something out to them.

As, RomulusRemus has demonstrated...

Quote:


Get over it.
JJ's movie sucked.


...they don't have what Trek is about. What are we to get over? That he thinks the film sucks? I'm over it. He isn't over, or can't accept, that we think it's a good-brilliant film.

This thread is just pointing some stuff out :). Don't worry, i find most of the rants humorous :)

Just watch yourself, KvK. ¿One of these guys reported me for objecting to lies he made about me to the mods. ¿I didn't get a warning, but my post got pulled. ¿I wasn't allowed, apparently, to defend myself wrt the lies he made. ¿

I'd hate to see you get into trouble for something like that, bro. ¿

Be careful is all I'm saying.

I appreciate the concerns RS. I'll be careful  :)

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 10:07 pm

All I can KvK  follow the 3 F's when it comes to people like the ones we are discussing. :logical:

Vger23

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 11:13 pm

KvK,

You're going to get stuff like this becuase there are a small percentage of people who know that it's OVER for their own personal view of what Trek "should" be.

The new guard is here. They've made their version, and guess what? It blew everything out of the water that came before (with the exception of TMP, which still didn't do as well critically or with the majority of fans).

So, it's pure unadultrated desperation. And, as you know, desperate people will do ANYTHING.

galaxyquest009

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Report this Dec. 07 2009, 8:59 am

Quote (Kirk_vs_Kahn @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:08 pm)
Do some posters on here even understand this?

Star Trek has always been about bettering ourselves. Respecting others and their opinions. And just being fair minded.

There are some on these boards (DJ, wellthatwasawaste, etc) who seem to not understand this. They attack those who like something they don't. I'm talking, of course, about Trek XI.

Why are these guys on some crusade to 'convert' others to their thinking? Why do they make their opinions 'FACT' when they are not. Why do they call us names and try to belittle us who enjoy something they don't?

Is that what the idea of Star trek is about? I'm sorry, but how can you call yourself a Trek fan if you can't respect other peoples opinions and thoughts? You don't have to agree with them, you just have to accept that others have different ideas to what yours are.

I can accept that people don't like something I like. Hell, they don't have to give me an explanation for it. If they don't like it and they leave it at that, then fine. I will not call that person an idiot. Same the other way. You like something I don't? Ok.

What i'm trying to say is, and I seem to be going around the world here, is that Star Trek is about; Tolerance, Acceptance, Bettering ourselves and respecting others, and their opinions/ideas.

Some on these boards seem to have forgotten that. Trek fans? I wonder.

It's a mystery isn't it. I'm thinking you and poster ThankYouGeneR come from the same cut. You p ro bably have already but if you haven't give a look at the thread movies/S T A R T R E K opening few posts and you'll see. It's a real puzzlement to me watch ing the meanness t heat pops up around something that brings peace to me. Shoot, I'm often turning to the peace of stAr Trek morality to council me. Star trek is eberything you have said here. I'm guessing I'm one of the choir mentioned in the earl ier post, but I'm enjoyhing hearing it again, so just to let yOu know, I'm, in there singing with you.

galaxyquest009

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Report this Dec. 07 2009, 9:04 am

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Dec. 06 2009, 10:07 pm)
All I can KvK ¿follow the 3 F's when it comes to people like the ones we are discussing. :logical:

Well sir I'm quite int reagued by these three Fs and would like some euducation on them, And if it is more appropriate to PM than to post here just go right ahead.

MrsStarbuck

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Report this Dec. 07 2009, 9:38 am

In all fairness, I think there are people on both sides of the STXI fence who could do to learn a bit of courtesy.
I don't think it's fair to make it sound like ONLY people who don't like STXI are guilty of this kind of behaviour.

There ARE some people on here who don't like STXI who, as far as I'm concerned, have presented their arguments politely and rationally.

I'm not the greatest fan of STXI any more, but in discussing the whys and wherefores of that opinion, I don't believe that I have had to insult anyone or be rude to anyone to express myself (at least, I hope I haven't! )

But at the same time, I get the impression that some of the STXI-lovers now think that I'm deluded, or am 'missing something' because I have fallen out of love with the film.

*shrugs* Different opinions make the world go round, you know?

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