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Orci and Kurtzman suck

Vger23

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:57 am

Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Dec. 06 2009, 4:06 am)
Every movie they write sucks.

Really? That's interesting, considering the NRB of Motion Pictures just named "Star Trek" one of the Top 10 Motion Pictures of 2009.

The "Khan" thing is a rumor. They're playing mindgames with us to keep us all talking and off-track.

Relax, you'll live longer.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 10:29 am

I'm no fan of Khan showing up so soon, but I think they're aware of the pitfalls of a direct remake.  And you're not winning any converts by putting zero thought into what you write.  That's a compliment.  If I thought you actually were putting thought into your posts, then I'd be worried.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 11:42 am

Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Dec. 06 2009, 4:06 am)
Alternate timelines, Khan remakes? Are you serious? These guys are hacks. Every single movie they write has horrible dialouge and hundreds of plot holes.They write movies for the drooling lobotomized masses. If you can't come up with an original idea and insist on rehashing old ideas you have no business in the movie business, especially something as beloved as star trek. ?

Every movie they write sucks. Transformers, Trans 2, the Island, etc etc etc. If you seriously want to praise any of these movies there is no help for you and dont say its the directors fault. You can only shoot a turd from so many angles.

I used to think that fanboys getting their chance in the movie business was a good thing...then I saw the results.

I cant wait to see a rehash of Khan...really!! Then those of us who actually hate this crap can sit back and watch you fools defend another piece of junk.

It's just a rumor right now they are just throwing ideas out their. They haven't choosen a storyline yet or done the script yet.

I liked both Transformers movies.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 12:11 pm

Orci, Kurtzman, JJ Abrams and the rest have a certain blockbuster sensibility that attracts an audience. They ain't goin' anywhere anytime soon. They are attached to the sequel and most likely a third movie. Enjoy the ride.

Bring on Khan!

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 4:36 pm

Just a random question....What would they end up making klingons look like if they put them in the new movie?

Ridges or not? or just really hairy like TOS?

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 4:57 pm

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Just a random question....What would they end up making klingons look like if they put them in the new movie?

Ridges or not? or just really hairy like TOS?

They'll probably just pull something out of their backsides, like they did with the Romulan tattoos.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 5:49 pm

I'm not trying to win converts on this site. That is an impossiblity. I'm expressing my opinion. The fact that I hate this movie and everything it stands for is my only purpose here. I will watch any sci fi movie that comes out because I am a sci fi fan. That doesnt mean I like it all and am going to jump on the bandwagon. I can recognize good from bad.

The only thing you people who love this movie can ever say is " It has 95% on rotten tomatoes, it has made sooo much money." You fools should think for one fraking minute.

Movie critics are a dime a dozen. They are the ones who get paid to write good things about a movie so their name will be on movie trailers and dvd boxes. Are you that stupid? The only reason Star Trek got good reviews is because it is as far from the last few movies as you can get. It was "fun and sexy" and all the other generic words people use for this type of junk. It has a trendy director and has been dumbed down and streamlined for the masses. They admit it on the dvd commentary for god's sake!!! "How can we get women to enjoy this movie?" Maybe they should have asked how they make a good movie? It has a shiny new look with plenty of bright colors and lens flares for you curious little monkeys.

As far as mass consumtion goes... The Beatles sold alot of albums. Britney Spears sold alot of albums. Do you see any correlation here between massive sales and quality?!? The talentless fools sell just as much as the geniuses do.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 5:54 pm

Well put.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 6:14 pm

Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Dec. 06 2009, 5:49 pm)
I'm not trying to win converts on this site. That is an impossiblity. I'm expressing my opinion. The fact that I hate this movie and everything it stands for is my only purpose here.

That's not very healthy.  So you're here because you're on a mission... to do what?  

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The only reason Star Trek got good reviews is because it is as far from the last few movies as you can get. It was "fun and sexy" and all the other generic words people use for this type of junk.


You just contradicted yourself.  First the film got good reviews because "obviously" Paramount paid everyone to say it was good, now they actually gave reviews based on the fact that it wasn't like the last few movies?

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Maybe they should have asked how they make a good movie? It has a shiny new look with plenty of bright colors and lens flares for you curious little monkeys.

As far as mass consumtion goes... The Beatles sold alot of albums. Britney Spears sold alot of albums. Do you see any correlation here between massive sales and quality?!? The talentless fools sell just as much as the geniuses do.


So you're so full of yourself, so desperate, that you're screaming your head off, implying that women are stupid, implying that all of us are stupid, that you think your opinion is the only right one?

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 6:15 pm

Quote (Somniac @ Dec. 06 2009, 5:54 pm)
Well put.

Ways To Ruin Your Credibility 101

wellthatwasawaste

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 6:29 pm

Wow, this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

I am saying women are dumb?!? How did you possibly come to that conclusion? You love putting words in peoples mouths because you can't make a legitimate argument.

The dvd commentary has abrams and orci specifically saying they wanted to make a movie that appealed to women. This means that they are making decisions based on marketing not on quality. If I have to explain this to you than YOU are dumb, whether you are a woman or a man.

I can't help you if you are intimadated by people who make sense. Unbelievable.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 6:33 pm

Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Dec. 05 2009, 6:49 pm)
I'm not trying to win converts on this site. That is an impossiblity. I'm expressing my opinion. The fact that I hate this movie and everything it stands for is my only purpose here. I will watch any sci fi movie that comes out because I am a sci fi fan. That doesnt mean I like it all and am going to jump on the bandwagon. I can recognize good from bad.

The only thing you people who love this movie can ever say is " It has 95% on rotten tomatoes, it has made sooo much money." You fools should think for one fraking minute.

Movie critics are a dime a dozen. They are the ones who get paid to write good things about a movie so their name will be on movie trailers and dvd boxes. Are you that stupid? The only reason Star Trek got good reviews is because it is as far from the last few movies as you can get. It was "fun and sexy" and all the other generic words people use for this type of junk. It has a trendy director and has been dumbed down and streamlined for the masses. They admit it on the dvd commentary for god's sake!!! "How can we get women to enjoy this movie?" Maybe they should have asked how they make a good movie? It has a shiny new look with plenty of bright colors and lens flares for you curious little monkeys.

As far as mass consumtion goes... The Beatles sold alot of albums. Britney Spears sold alot of albums. Do you see any correlation here between massive sales and quality?!? The talentless fools sell just as much as the geniuses do.

Love the movie or hate the movie that doesn't matter much to me I can respect anyone's personal opinions about any movie.

However, where I draw the line are from people who put down and judge the people they disagree with as if there is something wrong with them for having an apposing view.

Notice, it doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on. Have your opinions about the movie, but refrain from casting personal judgments toward the groups that see things differently.

Vger23

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 6:39 pm

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Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Dec. 05 2009, 6:49 pm)
I'm not trying to win converts on this site. That is an impossiblity. I'm expressing my opinion. The fact that I hate this movie and everything it stands for is my only purpose here. I will watch any sci fi movie that comes out because I am a sci fi fan. That doesnt mean I like it all and am going to jump on the bandwagon. I can recognize good from bad.

The only thing you people who love this movie can ever say is " It has 95% on rotten tomatoes, it has made sooo much money." You fools should think for one fraking minute.

Movie critics are a dime a dozen. They are the ones who get paid to write good things about a movie so their name will be on movie trailers and dvd boxes. Are you that stupid? The only reason Star Trek got good reviews is because it is as far from the last few movies as you can get. It was "fun and sexy" and all the other generic words people use for this type of junk. It has a trendy director and has been dumbed down and streamlined for the masses. They admit it on the dvd commentary for god's sake!!! "How can we get women to enjoy this movie?" Maybe they should have asked how they make a good movie? It has a shiny new look with plenty of bright colors and lens flares for you curious little monkeys.

As far as mass consumtion goes... The Beatles sold alot of albums. Britney Spears sold alot of albums. Do you see any correlation here between massive sales and quality?!? The talentless fools sell just as much as the geniuses do.

Love the movie or hate the movie that doesn't matter much to me I can respect anyone's personal opinions about any movie.

However, where I draw the line are from people who put down and judge the people they disagree with as if there is something wrong with them for having an apposing view.

Notice, it doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on. Have your opinions about the movie, but refrain from casting personal judgments toward the groups that see things differently.

And regular, level-headed people who don't like the movie wonder why they get a bad name.

I'd say it's from people like this and these kinds of posts.

"I hate this movie and everything it stands for."

Relax. Seriously, life is too short.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 7:15 pm

Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Dec. 06 2009, 6:29 pm)
I am saying women are dumb?!? How did you possibly come to that conclusion? You love putting words in peoples mouths because you can't make a legitimate argument.

Nope.  I can debate just fine.  Here are your own words....

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The dvd commentary has abrams and orci specifically saying they wanted to make a movie that appealed to women. This means that they are making decisions based on marketing not on quality. If I have to explain this to you than YOU are dumb, whether you are a woman or a man.


All that spinning is going to make you dizzy!  Perhaps you need to watch your wording and what you're saying, you've already started off on an bad note with people on the forum as it is.

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I can't help you if you are intimadated by people who make sense. Unbelievable


And I'm having no difficulty with you.  Believable.

By the way, please show us all movie info in which it was confirmed by the writers, the studio, etc., that a Khan remake was in the works.  I'm interested in the storyline that they are working on (a.k.a. that you made up.)  Also any quotes to articles, etc., would be helpful in which they said they were working on a Khan remake.

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 8:15 pm

Quote (wellthatwasawaste @ Dec. 06 2009, 5:49 pm)
I'm not trying to win converts on this site.

Good, because if you were, you'd fail miserably.

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I'm expressing my opinion. The fact that I hate this movie and everything it stands for is my only purpose here. I will watch any sci fi movie that comes out because I am a sci fi fan.


So, you'll watch films you hate because you're "a sci fi fan."  
Guess what?  I'm a sci-fi fan too and I won't watch anything I hate or that I'm not interested in.  It'd be a waste of my time and possibly, my money.  

So who's the fool here?  

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The only thing you people who love this movie can ever say is " It has 95% on rotten tomatoes, it has made sooo much money."

And it also got voted one of the 10 best films of 2009 by the National Review Board, so there's one more thing we can say.

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Movie critics are a dime a dozen. They are the ones who get paid to write good things about a movie so their name will be on movie trailers and dvd boxes.


Wrong.  Do you really think, for example, that Roger Ebert or the LA Times Kenneth Turan or any of the vast majority of film critics (mostly with the newspapers) sell out like that?  Do you really think that?!??!

They're paid for their objective reviews and the best ones have studied film at the university level.

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The only reason Star Trek got good reviews is because it is as far from the last few movies as you can get.


I dunno.  First Contact, for example, was a great action film like ST XI.  And the filmmakers all claimed that TWOK was an inspiration to them.  Certainly there are similarities between ST XI and TWOK as well.

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It has a trendy director and has been dumbed down and streamlined for the masses.


Dumbed down in what sense?  Because they didn't have as much nonsensical technobabble as a TNG film?

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Maybe they should have asked how they make a good movie? It has a shiny new look with plenty of bright colors and lens flares for you curious little monkeys.


Now you're calling us monkeys.  That's just...lame.   Really sad.  I feel sorry for you.  

Grow up, dude.  

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As far as mass consumtion goes... The Beatles sold alot of albums. Britney Spears sold alot of albums. Do you see any correlation here between massive sales and quality?!? The talentless fools sell just as much as the geniuses do.


But does Briteny Spears get good reviews by serious music critics?   No, she doesn't.  ST XI has that.  That's the difference right there.

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