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Why is Wrath of Kham a BAD film?

JaydenJaneway

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Report this Nov. 04 2010, 2:45 pm

the main mess up i noticed was at the end when they jumped to warp in the nebula. you cant creat a stable warp field inside a nebula. and scotty shouldnt have brought that dead officer to the bridge. officers die all the time, oh and at spocks funeral, Saavik has tears in her eyes, shes vulcan and shouldnt be crying. but i did love the movie. it just had alot of mess ups. which of course all of them had mess ups. in the final frontier, it would have taken them almost 15-20years at maximum warp just to reach the center of the galaxy

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Report this Nov. 04 2010, 3:04 pm

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I wanted a seperate thread dedicated to the reasons why TWOK is a BAD Trek film.


I love "The Wrath of Kahn" but the one thing that has always really, REALLY bugged me about this film is Kirk's refusal to raise the shields when he first comes across the Defiant. It is a dramatic failure that truly undermined the integrity of that character. It was an instance of non-sensical, lazy writing.

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The Big Kahuna

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Report this Nov. 04 2010, 3:07 pm

Quote: JaydenJaneway @ Nov. 04 2010, 2:45 pm

...scotty shouldnt have brought that dead officer to the bridge. officers die all the time, oh and at spocks funeral, Saavik has tears in her eyes, shes vulcan and shouldnt be crying....


That dead officer was Scotty's nephew and Savik is half-Vulcan/half-Romulan.

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Pooneil

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Report this Nov. 05 2010, 5:31 pm

Quote: Vger23 @ Dec. 06 2009, 10:30 am


"Not Science Fiction?"
The Genesis Device, which really is the central piece to the whole movie (and ideed, the two movies that follow) is one of the most original and well-though-out sci-fi concepts ever. A device that can genetically transform an entire world from a lifeless body to a world capable of sustaining life. When you pile on the idea that that device, when used where life already exists, could also be the ultimate weapon in the universe, and that there are always those looking to pervert science and technology in this way, I think you have one of the MORE science-fiction rich stories in all the movie series.

"Could just as easily have been an 18th or 19th century sailing ship story"
Indeed, just like 75% of all other Trek adventures. The show was based on that concept. Roddenberry interviewed in 1988 (see TOS season 1 bluray extras) specifically referenced Horatio Hornblower as part of his inspiration and direction for the show. Also, if you have trouble remembering which movie had which dialogue in it...perhaps you should go back and review the films before commenting on what you think you know.


Now, I can understand people pointing out contrivances, plot holes, and other continuity problems with TWOK, because that is absolutely true. The movie is practically a mess from that standpoint. But, to claim that it is not good science fiction or good Trek is perposterous and not based in fact of any kind.


Sorry to butt in a year late, but I have to call BS on the paragraph above. The Genesis Device was a MacGuffin, plain and simple: there was no moral exploration of the consequences of terraforming, no discussion of the science, nothing apart from a pithy conversation in which Spock says "Fascinating" and McCoy fumes about Man wanting to be God. That's as deep as it goes. It might as well have been replaced by an H-bomb, or any other kind of futuristic superweapon. The fact that it's a terraforming device only plays a role in the quasi-mystical sequel (which is even more poorly-filmed).

Picards_O-Ring

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Report this Nov. 05 2010, 7:28 pm

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I wanted a seperate thread dedicated to the reasons why TWOK is a BAD Trek film.


Of course you did. It's not like there are enough asinine, meaningless and utterly ridiculous threads already....Why not add another one.

TWOK is hands down the best Star Trek movie. Sure you can nit-pik things here and there, but there certainly isn't anything "bad" about it.

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