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The Wrath of Khan

Janai

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Report this Jan. 12 2011, 9:42 am

I'm watching it now! I just love every thing about the piece and think it's a shame that so many of the cast is gone...Doohan, Montalban and even Buttrick.

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Report this Jan. 12 2011, 10:01 am

Quote: Janai @ Jan. 12 2011, 9:42 am

I'm watching it now! I just love every thing about the piece and think it's a shame that so many of the cast is gone...Doohan, Montalban and even Buttrick.


De Kelley too...

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Report this Jan. 13 2011, 4:19 pm

I enjoyed TWOK, but my all time favorite episode has got to be TSFS

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Report this Jan. 13 2011, 4:27 pm

Quote: Icarus14 @ Jan. 13 2011, 4:19 pm

I enjoyed TWOK, but my all time favorite episode has got to be TSFS


Yay!

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Report this Jan. 14 2011, 4:53 am

I think TSFS had a more enduring legacy, making it better in that sense but lacked the dynamism and character development of TWOK, which also didn't need an opener and close like 3. However, Kirk's reaction to David's death was one of the strongest moments in trek. You see the pain in shatner's eyes and are filled with shock then marvel at his strength in then being able to outwit the klingons. The opening was equally sobering and moving with kirk in mourning and the enterprise scarred up, coming home to be decommissioned.

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Report this Jan. 14 2011, 4:54 am

Not only the BEST Star Trek film ever,but one of the greatest films EVER made.Period.

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Report this Jan. 14 2011, 8:22 am

I think TWOK is the best ST film ever. I also think by now it's regarded as a classic.

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Report this Jan. 14 2011, 10:54 am

At first, I actually didn't like The Wrath of Khan, because I felt like it ruined the premise of "Space Seed": that Khan and his followers would build a new world on Ceti Alpha 5 (not sure if I spelled that correctly).

But, of course, when Kirk sends Khan to Ceti Alpha 5, the two refer to Satan's reaction in Paradise Lost--"better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven." And when I read Paradise Lost, I discovered that Satan does indeed promise his fellow devils he'll build a new world for them in Hell, only to leave for man's universe, bent on destruction in the name of revenge on God. As the poem progresses, Satan degenerates from a charismatic rebel to a (literally) toad-like figure consumed with revenge and ultimately defeated by God. I don't know how well the creators of The Wrath of Khan knew their Paradise Lost, but the book is on Khan's shelf (twice!), and the parallels are enjoyable to me.

I would say The Wrath of Khan is among the very best Star Trek films, along with my two favorites, IV and VI.

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Report this Jan. 19 2011, 6:10 pm

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Jan. 11 2011, 4:47 am

Vger, I have to add to your list that you didn't have to know trek or watch space seed to understand and enjoy the movie. Like serenity, I never heard of firefly when I watched it. Loved the movie, heard about firefly and came to appreciate the movie more. TWOK, TUC, and first contact all did this well. All well paced too, excellent point there. As for the kobayashi maru, I liked calhoun's solution best. He reasoned the crew was already dead, dying, or would soon be murdered by the klingons and so his chief priority was to save his crew. So he targeted the ship's fuel tanks, blowing up the maru and 2 enemy ships leaving only one vessel which he could handle. Brilliant!


same here...never heard of firefly til serenity. got about a whole season on DVR now. great show

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