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Where were all the Vulcan ships

tggell

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm

Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 5:58 pm

Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

Thanks

"United"
T'Pol: "Minister T'Pau is dispatching twenty three vessels."
Archer: "That's all?"
T'Pol: "The High Command has been disbanded. Many of our ships no longer have full crew compliments."
Archer: "T'Pau could have picked a better time to clean house."


The Vulcan fleet are cut short and with what little they have, I'm sure they got other things to do than hang around a non-threatening planet that normally no one have any reason to attack yet alone destroy. Well except by the Romulans, but in their point of view, there is nothing their current Romulans could have done that Starfleet can't reach them in time to aid.

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 8:28 pm

Like everyone else in Abram's universe, they were scratching their butts waiting for Pine to save the day.

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 8:43 pm

Quote (Vold @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:58 pm)
Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

Thanks

"United"
T'Pol: "Minister T'Pau is dispatching twenty three vessels."
Archer: "That's all?"
T'Pol: "The High Command has been disbanded. Many of our ships no longer have full crew compliments."
Archer: "T'Pau could have picked a better time to clean house."


The Vulcan fleet are cut short and with what little they have, I'm sure they got other things to do than hang around a non-threatening planet that normally no one have any reason to attack yet alone destroy. Well except by the Romulans, but in their point of view, there is nothing their current Romulans could have done that Starfleet can't reach them in time to aid.

yeah, except the scene in question was supposed to have taken place decades after Babel One.
Don't you think the Vulcans would have gotten back up to full strength when Nero attacked?

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 8:47 pm

Quote (RomulusRemus @ Nov. 28 2009, 8:43 pm)
Quote (Vold @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:58 pm)
Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

Thanks

"United"
T'Pol: "Minister T'Pau is dispatching twenty three vessels."
Archer: "That's all?"
T'Pol: "The High Command has been disbanded. Many of our ships no longer have full crew compliments."
Archer: "T'Pau could have picked a better time to clean house."


The Vulcan fleet are cut short and with what little they have, I'm sure they got other things to do than hang around a non-threatening planet that normally no one have any reason to attack yet alone destroy. Well except by the Romulans, but in their point of view, there is nothing their current Romulans could have done that Starfleet can't reach them in time to aid.

yeah, except the scene in question was supposed to have taken place decades after Babel One.
Don't you think the Vulcans would have gotten back up to full strength when Nero attacked?

Who knows how Vulcan society progressed since Archer's time? They could have easily move toward a more pacifistic society as toward a stronger militaristic society. Canon doesn't say so it is anyone's guess.

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 9:05 pm

During TMP in the other timeline, Spock returned to the Enterprise in a Vulcan Shuttlecraft not a military vessel. I also agree that the Vulcans became pacifists in the 22nd Century after the fall of the Vulcan High Command and didn't need that many ships and had the rest exploring and doing trade relations.

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 9:23 pm

I found this on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcan_(Star_Trek)#Vulcan_High_Command

After the dissolution of the High Command, the Vulcan space fleet experienced a serious shortage of personnel, many of whom were still sympathetic to the old guard. Administrator T'Pau, who now oversaw Vulcan's fleet operations, attempted to rebuild the fleet.

Also from Memory Alpha:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Vulcan_history

In short order, the attack on Andoria was canceled, V'Las deposed, and the High Command disbanded. Kuvak and T'Pau formed a new transitional government which promised to pursue peaceful policies, and also to end its restrictions on Earth's technological development and expansion.

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 10:54 pm

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Nov. 28 2009, 8:47 pm)
Quote (RomulusRemus @ Nov. 28 2009, 8:43 pm)
Quote (Vold @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:58 pm)
Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

Thanks

"United"
T'Pol: "Minister T'Pau is dispatching twenty three vessels."
Archer: "That's all?"
T'Pol: "The High Command has been disbanded. Many of our ships no longer have full crew compliments."
Archer: "T'Pau could have picked a better time to clean house."


The Vulcan fleet are cut short and with what little they have, I'm sure they got other things to do than hang around a non-threatening planet that normally no one have any reason to attack yet alone destroy. Well except by the Romulans, but in their point of view, there is nothing their current Romulans could have done that Starfleet can't reach them in time to aid.

yeah, except the scene in question was supposed to have taken place decades after Babel One.
Don't you think the Vulcans would have gotten back up to full strength when Nero attacked?

Who knows how Vulcan society progressed since Archer's time? They could have easily move toward a more pacifistic society as toward a stronger militaristic society. Canon doesn't say so it is anyone's guess.

That doesn't mean the Vulcans would be stupid enough to leave Vulcan or themselves defenseless.

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 1:49 am

Quote (RomulusRemus @ Nov. 28 2009, 10:54 pm)
Quote (SaturnsRings @ Nov. 28 2009, 8:47 pm)
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Quote (Vold @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:58 pm)
Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

Thanks

"United"
T'Pol: "Minister T'Pau is dispatching twenty three vessels."
Archer: "That's all?"
T'Pol: "The High Command has been disbanded. Many of our ships no longer have full crew compliments."
Archer: "T'Pau could have picked a better time to clean house."


The Vulcan fleet are cut short and with what little they have, I'm sure they got other things to do than hang around a non-threatening planet that normally no one have any reason to attack yet alone destroy. Well except by the Romulans, but in their point of view, there is nothing their current Romulans could have done that Starfleet can't reach them in time to aid.

yeah, except the scene in question was supposed to have taken place decades after Babel One.
Don't you think the Vulcans would have gotten back up to full strength when Nero attacked?

Who knows how Vulcan society progressed since Archer's time? They could have easily move toward a more pacifistic society as toward a stronger militaristic society. Canon doesn't say so it is anyone's guess.

That doesn't mean the Vulcans would be stupid enough to leave Vulcan or themselves defenseless.

They're not, by logical speculation, Starfleet is all the defense they needed.

Time travel is not something you can estimate. Had that been a normal Romulan ship of their time, those ships being sent is more than a match for them.
:)

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 4:24 am

Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

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Your forgetting that Vulcan went true a big reformation after Archer found the  writings of Surak.

Even at the end of that story ark they commented on how the Vulcan high command was being restructured.

And even in the Next Generation era we never saw anything other then a Vulcan science ships.

Its most likely that Planet Vulcan decommissioned their militeray fleet when they helped found the federation.

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 4:28 am

Quote (RomulusRemus @ Nov. 28 2009, 8:43 pm)
Quote (Vold @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:58 pm)
Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

Thanks

"United"
T'Pol: "Minister T'Pau is dispatching twenty three vessels."
Archer: "That's all?"
T'Pol: "The High Command has been disbanded. Many of our ships no longer have full crew compliments."
Archer: "T'Pau could have picked a better time to clean house."


The Vulcan fleet are cut short and with what little they have, I'm sure they got other things to do than hang around a non-threatening planet that normally no one have any reason to attack yet alone destroy. Well except by the Romulans, but in their point of view, there is nothing their current Romulans could have done that Starfleet can't reach them in time to aid.

yeah, except the scene in question was supposed to have taken place decades after Babel One.
Don't you think the Vulcans would have gotten back up to full strength when Nero attacked?

No because as stated the High Command was disbanded.Vulcan then underwent a reformation of their society.

They changed a great many things about their policies.

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 4:32 am

Quote (RomulusRemus @ Nov. 28 2009, 10:54 pm)
Quote (SaturnsRings @ Nov. 28 2009, 8:47 pm)
Quote (RomulusRemus @ Nov. 28 2009, 8:43 pm)
Quote (Vold @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:58 pm)
Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

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"United"
T'Pol: "Minister T'Pau is dispatching twenty three vessels."
Archer: "That's all?"
T'Pol: "The High Command has been disbanded. Many of our ships no longer have full crew compliments."
Archer: "T'Pau could have picked a better time to clean house."


The Vulcan fleet are cut short and with what little they have, I'm sure they got other things to do than hang around a non-threatening planet that normally no one have any reason to attack yet alone destroy. Well except by the Romulans, but in their point of view, there is nothing their current Romulans could have done that Starfleet can't reach them in time to aid.

yeah, except the scene in question was supposed to have taken place decades after Babel One.
Don't you think the Vulcans would have gotten back up to full strength when Nero attacked?

Who knows how Vulcan society progressed since Archer's time? They could have easily move toward a more pacifistic society as toward a stronger militaristic society. Canon doesn't say so it is anyone's guess.

That doesn't mean the Vulcans would be stupid enough to leave Vulcan or themselves defenseless.

Defenseless....no.

they are members of the federation.

They rely on starfleet when in need of defense.

I'm pretty sure they have some planetary defensive capabilities as well but doubtfull they would have been very effective in this case.

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 4:48 am

Quote (ServalanFan @ Nov. 29 2009, 3:44 am)
There wasn't much defence around Earth either. I mean Nero sent his driill down next to Starfleet Academy. Was he just giving them the finger or was Abrams trying to save money by reusing a set?
And I think the Federation had there Pearl Harbour at Vulcan sort of. Nero caught them ?by surprise.

However if aliens were to attack Earth now, it would take the superpowers quite a while to assemble a defence. Recall ships from overseas etc - to work out what was going on.

Haven't you heard?

Their major fleet are far & on the way.
And their emediate fleet are floating debris around Vulcan's star system.

only 1 survivor from the irradicated fleet, the USS Enterprise.
:)

Again, under normal circumstances, that fleet would have irradicated a Romulan threat. This ain't 1 of those normal circumstances.

So, their defenses are edequate. If you want to prepare for temporal invasions, aliens from other galaxies, etc.
We'll have 1 big paranoid force. The very same Starfleet stood against multiple times in the alternate timeline.

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 6:53 am

Quote (tggell @ Nov. 28 2009, 5:42 pm)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a search showed nothing. When Nero attacks Vulcan with the mining ship, where were the Vulcan ships? At the "Archer" Enterprise time line, Vulcan had a large fleet of ships with quite a large offensive capability. So, at the time line of the Kelvin, there should have been an even more powerful fleet. So, why were there no ships available to defend Vulcan? Did I miss something?

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They were sold in the Christie's Auction.

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 7:14 am

T'Pau is Syranite who follows Surak's teaching strictly.  Which means a pacifist (SP ?) no matter what the cost.  They probably dismantled the entire fleet or at least disarmed them and turned them into research vessels.

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