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Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 2:17 pm

Honestly is it a bad movie? I have heard what some of the actors have said about it and what not. I just don't see it as the worst TNG film, that honor goes to Generations simply because they killed Kirk and the enterprise in the same movie.

So here is the script for Insurrection feel free to slice and dice:

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                                Screenplay by
                                Michael Pillar & Rick Berman

                                                             
                                                                REV. FINAL DRAFT

                                                                  March 12, 1998





                  FADE IN:

              1   TALL GRASS BLOWING GENTLY IN A BREEZE - DAY - (OPTICAL)      1

                  The sound of children playing, running through the
                  grass... as one boy (ARTIM, 12) pokes his head out, we
                  see by his facial skin pattern that he's an alien... his
                  cloths are simple, homespun. As other alien children
                  pursue him in a game of tag into the rocky foothills, we
                  BOOM UP to reveal a breathtaking view of a rural
                  community along a vast sparkling lake... mountains rising
                  in the background...some odd-like livestock graze
                  on the hillside...

              2   A FARM - LONG SHOT                                           2

                  A woman uses a bike pump to get well water...a man works
                  the soil in his fields, wipes his brow, waving to --

              3   A WOMAN (ANIJ, 38)                                           3

                  whose beauty immediately captivates us as she strolls
                  past the farm, the wind barely jostling her close cut
                  curly hair. She takes us to a busy outdoor farmers
                  market at the edge of a hand-constructed village set
                  against a natural rock face barrier. These are the Ba'ku
                  people and from the opening shots we can feel the simple
                  charms of this beautiful place... and who would blame us
                  for wanting to be there, to escape a life like this...
                  where people seem to have all the time in the world... to
                  chat with neighbors, taste a piece of fresh fruit and
                  enjoy the day... Anij nods hello to people including
                  SOJEF (male, 42), the community leader... she smiles as a
                  vendor slices a piece of fruit for her...

              4   NEW ANGLE - ANIJ - (OPTICAL)                                 4

                  From the point of view of the rock face behind the
                  village. Although we may not realize it yet, we are
                  watching through a window now... slightly discolored,
                  pulling back to see a mysterious figure in an isolation
                  suit standing incongruously beside her, his suit glowing
                  with a green force field. None of the Ba'ku are aware of
                  him as he takes readings with a sophisticated sensor
                  device built into his suit. Now our pullback reveals
                  we're inside a duck blind. Low lighting levels. A bi-
                  level gallery of Starfleet officers and members of an
                  alien race (the Son'a) observe the peaceful village scene
                  like sportswriters at the ballpark...

            5-9   VARIOUS ANGLES                                             5-9

                  as they enter data into their computers. Supernumeraries
                  move in and out of the main viewing room with PADDS...

             10   ANGLE TO INCLUDE THE FULL WINDOW (OPTICAL)                  10
       
                  Outside, several other cloaked figures move among the
                  unknowing Ba'ku...

             11   ANGLE - THE RANKING SON'A OFFICER (GALLATIN, 60)            11
                  (OPTICAL)

                  Inside the duck blind. Like all Son'a, his face is
                  stretched like a rubber band about to snap...they look
                  like victims of three too many cosmetic surgeries. He
                  studies a PADD from a supernumerary...

                                          GALLATIN
                            Admiral Dougherty is waiting for
                            this. Transmit it to the ship.

                  Suddenly a communications crackle on loudspeakers...

                                          MALE SON'A COM VOICE
                            Alert, area twelve...!

                  Now the sound of a weapon blast... turmoil...As the
                  blast echoes through the hills, the Ba'ku outside the
                  window react, turn their heads toward the sound...

                                          MALE SON'A COM VOICE
                                    (distressed)
                            ... the android has...

                  It crackles off... Gallatin moves to a companel...

                                          LIEUTENANT
                            Data, report to base immediately.

                                          DATA'S COM VOICE
                            Transferring... positronic...
                            matrix functions... engaging...
                            secondary protocols...

                  The running man starts pulling at his headgear.

                                          STARFLEET OFFICER #1
                            He's trying to remove the
                            headpiece...


http://movies.trekcore.com/insurrection/script.txt

Clownprince23

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 2:46 pm

Its bad. It's basicaly a glorified episode that contadicts a previous episode. Earlier Picard had no problem relocating a population but now he does. The movie doesn't do any to progress characters or continuity. It's just bad.

Clownprince23

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 2:48 pm

And curious, what actors said what?

Vger23

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 2:49 pm

Insurrection was far-and-away my least favorite Star Trek movie. I don't know if that means it's a "bad" movie...but it does mean that it is the film I personally enjoyed the least.

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 3:38 pm

I actually enjoyed it because it came across like a 2 hr episode. Wasn't a great movie yet it brought back memories of watching TNG on TV...

Pooneil

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 4:38 pm

I watched it the first time in 1998 (or was it '99?) and the second time last month. I remember not liking it the first time, but I didn't dislike it the second time. I think Nemesis was slightly worse -- I appreciated Insurrection's attempt to be an upbeat, optimistic movie rather than a violent thriller, even though I still think it goes to far with its silly attempts at humor and it has a rather brainless plot.

But then, I don't think there are any Trek movies that are as good as the TV shows they were based on -- except TMP and possibly The Voyage Home.

I also liked Generations last time I watched it. The plot doesn't hold together very well, but it was a very well-made film and the cinematography was excellent.

lostshaker

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Report this Nov. 28 2009, 8:22 pm

INS is my favorite TNG film, perhaps because it had an episode feel to it and it wasn't all that dark. The scene where Picard asserts moral authority in his ready room against Dougherty is fantastic.

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Earlier Picard had no problem relocating a population but now he does. The movie doesn't do any to progress characters or continuity. It's just bad.

Clownprice, which episode are you referring to? If it's "Homeward" you're referring to, Picard had a problem transporting these people from their home world. He was angry at Worf's brother for interfering, but Worf's brother forced Picard and crew into that situation.

And I disagree about the progression of characters. Geordi finally got to see a sunrise with real eyes; this echoes back to "The Naked Now" where Geordi discussed this with Tasha Yar. Riker and Troi finally get together, which sets the stage for their marriage in Nemesis. We learned that a Gorch is a Klingon Pimple and that Klingons get severe mood swings during puberty. Sadly, Crusher doesn't have much to do, but what's really new about that? Data taps into his inner child - and Piller at least acknowledged the emotion chip, or the lack thereof, whereas Nemesis just ignored the issue completely and left Data emotion less. We get to see the strong moral side of Picard, not really visited since the show and he learns to perceive time in a new way. The character growth is subtle, which is realistic. People don't really change dramatically on a daily basis. Sudden changes in a person's character only take place if a trauma occurs or if a person makes a conscious effort to change/modify a behavior, then works daily to internalize the desired outcome. Ru'Afo was a more realistic villain too, he didn't want to grow old and was consumed by hatred for the Baku.

I do wish TNG had a movie where there was no bad guy, like TMP and TVH. TNG was great with those sorts of stories.

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 3:18 am

I also find INS enjoyable to watch. I disliked the film the first time I saw it(some 10 years ago) but recently watched it again, and found the film charming and unassuming in a good way.

I unfortunately can't call the film ''great'', because it's not, but rather a good light breezy piece of entertainment. Ru'Afo was an okay villain, Abraham chewed the scenery nicely. The shuttle chase and finale are pretty exciting to me too. I also like the Baku village design. :p

EDIT: I also like the guest stars in INS: Donna Murphy as Anij and Anthony Zerbe as Admiral Dougherty. They played their parts particularly well.

FanGuy

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 7:41 am

INS would have been a good TV episode, but was not dramatic enough for a cinema experience. The cloaked ship concept was a bit lame, and kept INS from being a great TV episode.

It doesn't matter, as it wasn't a TV episode. I was concerned that it was so TV-like, that it might threaten the future of Trek itself. But then there was the over-reaction X and ENT, which distanced itself. Both testimates to the momentum of Trek post IX.

WorfsGonads

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Report this Nov. 30 2009, 3:27 am

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Nov. 27 2009, 4:38 pm)
I actually enjoyed it because it came across like a 2 hr episode. Wasn't a great movie yet it brought back memories of watching TNG on TV...

That's exactly how I felt about it, a 2 hour ep. but  with better effects.   I liked Nemesis a lot less.

Commander_Zelkar

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Report this Nov. 30 2009, 8:35 am

Not my favorite movie, but I find it entertaining and good Star Trek.

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Report this Nov. 30 2009, 8:55 am

CRUSHER
                                    (calling)
                            Data! It's time to go!

                  Data stands up straight as he hears the voice, looks at
                  Artim a long beat... and this is a kid's moment,
                  underplaying the sentiment the way kids would...

                                          DATA
                            I have to go home now.

                                          ARTIM
                            Bye.

                  Data nods...

                                          DATA
                            Bye.



by far the best part

Captain_Storma

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Report this Nov. 30 2009, 10:08 am

A great start with the whole conspiracy story, the audience not knowing what Data's intentions are, what the Federation is doing there...

From the part where the actual "Insurrection" starts it's weakening very fast. The climax was far too action-orientated, I would have prefered more of a thriller style ending, Picard or Riker facing the Federation council. Would have made the movie feel more epic.

I like the first 50 minutes, the last 50 minutes are sadly just ok.

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Report this Nov. 30 2009, 12:26 pm

The villains really needed some work.  They felt really one-dimensional, like they were doing something evil just for the sake of being evil.  This takes place during the Dominion War and Starfleet is doing business with the Son'a, KNOWN DOMINION ALLIES.  Imagine if at the end Enterprise calls on the Breen to help them in the fight.  It just doesn't make any sense and any reason Dougherty gives to justify himself is weak.

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Report this Nov. 30 2009, 4:57 pm

Quote (kvlc @ Nov. 30 2009, 9:26 pm)
The villains really needed some work. ¿They felt really one-dimensional, like they were doing something evil just for the sake of being evil. ¿This takes place during the Dominion War and Starfleet is doing business with the Son'a, KNOWN DOMINION ALLIES. ¿Imagine if at the end Enterprise calls on the Breen to help them in the fight. ¿It just doesn't make any sense and any reason Dougherty gives to justify himself is weak.

Wait a minute... in one of the DS9 episodes set after the film, Weyoun mentioned that the Son'a were compromised.

There were hints at a possible alliance before (mainly the Ketracel White production by the Son'a), but no obvious alliance was known.

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