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Candystar

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Report this Nov. 26 2009, 4:35 am

alright the long-awaited reveiw thread. sorry it took so long but im having computer problems AGAIN :eyesroll:

anyway, apparently "production order" is a better way to go through the TOS series, particularly for the first season so this thread will be in that order:

Memory Alpha Pro. Order List

(my god in heaven i HATE memory alpha! so EFFING SLOOOWWWWW on my computer! grrrr grrrr grrrr...right ANYway...)

on a final note, i am doing 2 types of reviews at the same time. the first review is for "regular fans" & the second review is reserved for a "certain" fangroup of which im a part of. hehe

im helping some gals here with "certain" notes of a "certain" pairing so for those who'd rather not...do NOT read anything in any of my posts below the line K/S/K/S/K/S/K/S thats for slasher eyes only....

right...ok on with the show

THE CAGE----ORIGINAL VERSION

I dont quite understand why parts are B&W & parts are color but anyway. The changing back & forth was a little weird to watch but on the other hand, the B&W is a real piece of history & not just of trek history. Besides that, I still think it was a good first try.

I kind of like this intro a bit better then what we ended up with. Having the enterprise flying in motion chasing after star trek created by gene r.

Anyway, the communicator Pike has here is frikken hilarious! Im glad they modified it a bit better in the kirk-era part of TOS. Another thing Im glad they fixed is Spocks eyebrows; theyre a little weird in this one LOL

I do wish we could have had more of Pike though. just starting into it & already like the character. The poor guy sure worked himself into a hole early on.

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"Ah she does a good job alright; its just that I cant get used to having a woman on the bridge."

Majel gives him a weird look & he realizes his mistake. "No offence lt....(she smiles softly to soon)....youre uh different of course."

Another glare, poor Pike realizes again but at least has the sense to shut up & his look of "Aww for effs sake! I ROYALLY screwed up that time!" is priceless!


LMAO

There is one thing that I REALLY really like in this & of course its slightly repeated in the menagerie as well. A blonde gal actually fighting back. Usually gals, especially blonde ones, arent portrayed in Hollywood in a very nice way. So its really nice to see a woman fight back instead of just standing on the side screaming all the time, regardless of the fabled hair color!

I find it interesting that Pike has two horses. Similar to Kirk having a whole ranch of 'em later on. I can see how they kept some elements of the Pike character for the Kirk one. Pike & horses, Pike & women & he cant seem to see well either, seeing as hes always knocking the poor yeoman girl over LOL Needs glasses me thinks!

I love the ending of this one...with everyone asking about Eve & Pikes just glaring them to death! Then Dr. Boyce comes over & Pike snarls out As in all ships drs are dirty old men!

LMAO!!!! Something for MS to use against dr. Bones thats for sure! HAHAHA

( Of course, from the menageries POV we do get to find out who Pikes Eve will be.)

Anyway, I do feel sorry for the Talosians. Through-out the whole bit, theyre were shown as being cruel & bad but really they were just trying to help Vina & trying to spare their own race. While watching this, I was thinking of Gary 7 how even though he was human he was raised on a far away planet by aliens with similar ideas to the Talosians. They also considered the humans a violent primitive race. I was wondering if there was any connection...like...a reused idea. Also Pikes time is supposed to be a few years before Kirk so maybe its possible...

Anyway K/S is N/A here as Kirk is not yet on board so moving on to:

THE CAGE----RESTORED VERSION

Much easier to watch as its all in one color. Other than that not much more to add except, going through this a second time I noticed 2 more points.

First off the away team jackets werent a good idea. They cover up everything & one has to open their jacket to get to the phaser. One has time to die before getting that phaser out.

Secondly, Pikes lying on his bed in his quarters & talking with Dr. Boyce. Then he rolls off the bed to get up. Anyone else notice his...er..."package" shape if yalls know what I mean? LOL

Hmm...nice...ok...again no K/S obviously LOL so moving on:

WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE

(...not even gonna comment on Spocks eyebrows in this one..."snort" )

Alright, a second pilot for trek.

I find this one very interesting but first lets get the technicalities out of the way. First off, Im glad it stays with one type of film---aka color---& not jumping back & forth between color & B&W lol

Another thing, in this one just about everyone is wearing yellow & then a few blue coats. Im glad they brought in some "Redshirts" later or else everywhere one looked its bright shiny gold LOL

Also, now I understand why there has been a few complaints of the new ST:XI movie with having Delta Vega closer to Vulcan...not a big issue but still, I get why it causes a bit of a headache. Maybe here the planet was in a dif season & in the movie its dif. I also heard something about the planet's postion being a bit dif but anyway...it isnt THAT big a deal guys!

On a side not, this one makes me think of Final Fantasy 6 (Americas 3 ) what with all the "esper" stuff & whatnot LOL

Right...now with that out of the way....

This is one of those rare shows where we get to see Spock a bit more emotional. Nimoys still getting a hand on his character. Spock provides us with a quick smile while discussing irritation over a game of chess with Kirk. He also seems a bit more excited-like whilst reading off what he can get of the tapes. This should help with the new movie's more emotional Spock, he seems less logical in his younger days. (Also I beleive he was in a botched up Pon Farr during that movie....more on that later...WAY later when i get to it...)

OK, this one kind of reminds me of "the final frontier" what with breaching the barrier & all. Perhaps another reused idea?

Not much K/S to go on here but...(reg fans skip ahead now)

K/S/G

Kirks already teasing Spock over a game of chess. LOL

Right now, it seems that Kirk is closer to Gary than Spock at the moment. Gary has been Kirks friend since the Academy days.

I kind of understand how some slashers pair Kirk up with Gary first before meeting Spock.

I'm thinking tht perhaps Kirk WANTED to go farther with Gary but that will never happen since he had to kill him. It would add more explanation to the look of regret in Kirk's eyes when he's holding the stone up. Also, it would tie in with his reaction to Mudd's women later. Kirk was affected by them as one can see with his conversation with Bones, but he seemed to have a bit more control of himself. If he had any more-than-friend relationship with Gary...or wanted to but never got the chance...then he was probably still sore from it & not ready to get back to women.

It would also explain why he has yet to notice Spock lol

ok gals take over!

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Report this Nov. 26 2009, 6:13 am

Great reviews Candy.

I haven't seen The Cage so I can't comment on that one, so onto WNMHGB...

I never liked people pairing Kirk with Gary, I always wanted to believe that Spock was his first and only man-love. But then I had a big talk with MG about it and she totally sold me on the idea. And now that I watch the episode with that in mind I think you can see that Spock is incredibly jealous of Gary, and does a lot to compete with him for Kirk's attention. Although unfortunately, as you point out, Kirk hasn't really noticed Spock yet.
It's almost an uncomfortable dynamic between K/S in this ep for me, with Spock seeming quite needy, and Kirk being a bit dismissive of him. But it's interesting to see that they weren't always as close, and that their relationship really is something that has grown and developed over time.

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Report this Nov. 26 2009, 9:42 am

OMG MS HILARIOUS PHOTO!!

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Report this Nov. 26 2009, 10:31 am

Quote (Candystar @ Nov. 26 2009, 4:35 am)
I love the ending of this one...with everyone asking about Eve & Pikes just glaring them to death! Then Dr. Boyce comes over & Pike snarls out As in all ships drs are dirty old men!

LMAO!!!! Something for MS to use against dr. Bones thats for sure! HAHAHA

( Of course, from the menageries POV we do get to find out who Pikes Eve will be.)


I think that Pike would have chosen Vina from the start.


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PIKE: If they can read my mind, then they know I'm attracted to you.

[Talosian monitoring room]

PIKE [on monitor]: I was from the very first moment I saw you in the survivor's camp.

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 3:55 am

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Nov. 26 2009, 8:13 pm)
Great reviews Candy.

I haven't seen The Cage so I can't comment on that one, so onto WNMHGB...

I never liked people pairing Kirk with Gary, I always wanted to believe that Spock was his first and only man-love. But then I had a big talk with MG about it and she totally sold me on the idea. And now that I watch the episode with that in mind I think you can see that Spock is incredibly jealous of Gary, and does a lot to compete with him for Kirk's attention. Although unfortunately, as you point out, Kirk hasn't really noticed Spock yet.
It's almost an uncomfortable dynamic between K/S in this ep for me, with Spock seeming quite needy, and Kirk being a bit dismissive of him. But it's interesting to see that they weren't always as close, and that their relationship really is something that has grown and developed over time.

We could compile a rather long list that just includes the times Spock either gets rid of a rival or interrupts Kirk with 'the ladies'.

Gary is just first on this list. I am not saying Spock purposefully got rid of Gary, but it was very convenient for our love-lorn Vulcan that Gary went psycho and had to be killed -very handy indeed. I agree Kirk is just being friendly to Spock in the beginning, but Spock has already fallen hook line and sinker for his Captain.

The first true Kirk/Spock flirt can be seen at 49:08 - 49:11, look at how pleased 'Pocky is at getting his Capt'n's approval...LOL

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 5:38 am

Hey Cs, nice reviews. Write more.

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 6:12 am

Quote (MarmaladeSkies @ Nov. 26 2009, 8:35 pm)
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:p :laugh: Heh heh heh!

And BTW, Candy......



:laugh:

Another example of why TOS is so great and why we live in the best fandom in the Universe

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 6:33 am

Quote (Mirrorgirl @ Nov. 26 2009, 9:55 am)
We could compile a rather long list that just includes the times Spock either gets rid of a rival or interrupts Kirk with 'the ladies'.

Yes. I noticed this the other night when I watched Elaan of Troyius. Spock is quite dismissive of, and also seems quite irritated by the Dolman.

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 6:45 am

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Nov. 27 2009, 8:33 pm)
Quote (Mirrorgirl @ Nov. 26 2009, 9:55 am)
We could compile a rather long list that just includes the times Spock either gets rid of a rival or interrupts Kirk with 'the ladies'.

Yes. I noticed this the other night when I watched Elaan of Troyius. Spock is quite dismissive of, and also seems quite irritated by the Dolman.

Uh huh, there's a lot that going around with our good Vulcan. Watch his reaction when there is any woman (or in the special case of Captain Christopher...LOL), in fact when anyone has Jim's attention (he's even jealous of McCoy). And it is true that the character of Spock emotes more than just about anyone on the show. Now that you know what you are looking for, you w ill begin to see the patterns.

Pay particular attention to how Kirk and Spock's voices change when they are addressing each other as opposed to others (especially women, Kirk is actually very dismissive of women unless they are going to be able to assist him; however Kirk does love to make Spock jealous, watch out for that too  ;)

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 6:53 am

On a side note MG, I've been meaning to write my review of Elaan of Troyius, but what did you think of the episode in general? It annoyed me a little bit how they made Kirk out to be this lovesick sap who lost almost all of his ability to command. It was a nice episode for K/S interactions, but on the whole I can't say that I really enjoyed it that much and it didn't do Kirk much justice.

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 7:05 am

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Nov. 27 2009, 8:53 pm)
On a side note MG, I've been meaning to write my review of Elaan of Troyius, but what did you think of the episode in general? It annoyed me a little bit how they made Kirk out to be this lovesick sap who lost almost all of his ability to command. It was a nice episode for K/S interactions, but on the whole I can't say that I really enjoyed it that much and it didn't do Kirk much justice.

Well now I love 'Elaan of Troyius' and I don't see it like that all.

Kirk is biochemically effected (you just like everyone was in 'The Naked Time' ) Kirk actually resists her quite well considering that he has been drugged to be under her spell. And when Spock and McCoy save him, he gets back to himself fairly quickly.

I also see it as a very tragic story - it's parallels to 'The Taming of the Shrew' are obvious, however it has a twist, Elaan is not  really tamed, however she does realize and accept her responsibility. How very tragic for this proud woman to be sold into marital slavery for the price of peace. She is heartbroken, and not just for her lost freedom, but also because she has really fallen in love with Kirk, but knows there is no future in it, because of her obligations and his duty (and also I guess she'd be able to figure out that anyone who gets too close to Kirk had better watch their back when a certain Vulcan decides to 'rub you out' so to speak).

I love Frances Nuyen's performance, she is just so exotic.

All this plus political intrigue, action aplenty, great costumes, the fruitiest character ever on TOS (Petri - oh that hair! )

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 7:24 am

Quote (Mirrorgirl @ Nov. 27 2009, 7:05 am)
Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Nov. 27 2009, 8:53 pm)
On a side note MG, I've been meaning to write my review of Elaan of Troyius, but what did you think of the episode in general? It annoyed me a little bit how they made Kirk out to be this lovesick sap who lost almost all of his ability to command. It was a nice episode for K/S interactions, but on the whole I can't say that I really enjoyed it that much and it didn't do Kirk much justice.

Well now I love 'Elaan of Troyius' and I don't see it like that all.

Kirk is biochemically effected (you just like everyone was in 'The Naked Time' ) Kirk actually resists her quite well considering that he has been drugged to be under her spell. And when Spock and McCoy save him, he gets back to himself fairly quickly.

I also see it as a very tragic story - it's parallels to 'The Taming of the Shrew' are obvious, however it has a twist, Elaan is not ¿really tamed, however she does realize and accept her responsibility. How very tragic for this proud woman to be sold into marital slavery for the price of peace. She is heartbroken, and not just for her lost freedom, but also because she has really fallen in love with Kirk, but knows there is no future in it, because of her obligations and his duty (and also I guess she'd be able to figure out that anyone who gets too close to Kirk had better watch their back when a certain Vulcan decides to 'rub you out' so to speak).

I love Frances Nuyen's performance, she is just so exotic.

All this plus political intrigue, action aplenty, great costumes, the fruitiest character ever on TOS (Petri - oh that hair! )

I totally agree, I do like this episode. Elaan is a very tragic figure, doomed from the very beginning of the episode.

Anybody noticed that when she materialized in the transporter, she immediately looked at Spock and said: "Are you the captain?" (or "is that your ship?", I don't remember exactly) :laugh:? I found it rather funny that she kind of assumed he's in command :).

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 7:31 am

Hmm, maybe I need to see it again then. It reminded me more of Elizabethan times, where Queen Elizabeth battled almost her entire life to not have to be 'married off' to some European head of state in order to preserve peace in the continent.

I just felt that they focussed more on Elaan's selecting of a suitable man, rather than her strengths as an independant women, who maybe didn't need a man at all (and I know it was the time period and all that).
I guess this is just one of my personal irks, that people always presume that a single woman needs a man. Every day I get people 'feeling sorry for me' because I'm single, as if it's some kind of personal tragedy.

Anyway, I did enjoy Frances Nuyen's performance, I thought she captured the spirit of the warrior woman quite well (I found her incredibly annoying at the beginning, but I'm presuming that was the intention, as we're almost meant to sympathise with Petri and his seemingly impossible task of 'taming' this girl).

I dunno...I realise that Kirk was 'under the spell' of the tears, I just didn't personally enjoy seeing him acting so blinkered. It's probably just my personal preference rather than anything 'wrong' with the story itself.

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 7:35 am

I'm just popping it in the DVD player now, you've made me want to watch it :D :D

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Report this Nov. 27 2009, 7:44 am

OMG, what Elaan says, when she looks at Spock is:

"You rule this ship!?"

But it is actually more of a statement than a question

Wow that just blew my mind...thank you for pointing that out Mrs S

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