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stealthgear

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 7:48 pm

I think TMP is the best movie, so it having made the most is no surprise. That one is not perfect but its mind blowing. After, movies turned into good guy / bad guy flicks that copy the plot from wrath of Kahn. Obsession with justice is a pretty sick thing for ST to focus on, which is why Nemesis is rated worst in the list. They aren't even able to pick up on the subtleties that make TWOK good.

I think the reboot was welcomed because a lot of kids haven't seen Wrath of Kahn, TMP, and even TNG, so for them its like a whole new thing. It gets a free pass. I don't see the next one doing as good in the box office. They have the potential to make a better star trek movie though...I fear the studios will just make a violent B movie with huge special fx. They should just make an entirely new plot at the risk of it sucking. In a lot of ways the new Star Trek isn't really star trek though. So it doesn't count. I see it as a ridiculous parody on some level. Its kitschy. Its not meant to be picked at and interpreted. The special effects and art were not really ground breaking either....so yea beastie boys??? compared to TMP, and keeping in mind when it was released, its still the best.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 8:34 pm

Quote (stealthgear @ Dec. 06 2009, 7:48 pm)
I think TMP is the best movie, so it having made the most is no surprise. That one is not perfect but its mind blowing. After, movies turned into good guy / bad guy flicks that copy the plot from wrath of Kahn. Obsession with justice is a pretty sick thing for ST to focus on, which is why Nemesis is rated worst in the list. They aren't even able to pick up on the subtleties that make TWOK good.

I think the reboot was welcomed because a lot of kids haven't seen Wrath of Kahn, TMP, and even TNG, so for them its like a whole new thing. It gets a free pass. I don't see the next one doing as good in the box office. They have the potential to make a better star trek movie though...I fear the studios will just make a violent B movie with huge special fx. They should just make an entirely new plot at the risk of it sucking. In a lot of ways the new Star Trek isn't really star trek though. So it doesn't count.

I understand why this could be confusing to you.  It was well made, a lot of people liked it, and made a lot of money, so I can understand this not being very "Star Trek" to you.  Rest assured, it is, no matter how hard you try to argue against it.

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I see it as a ridiculous parody on some level. Its kitschy. Its not meant to be picked at and interpreted. The special effects and art were not really ground breaking either....so yea beastie boys??? compared to TMP, and keeping in mind when it was released, its still the best.


Nope.

slehman805

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:03 pm

Quote (Somniac @ Dec. 06 2009, 5:36 pm)
"The goal of ANY art / performance / story is to REACH and AFFECT an audience"

I absolutely agree, and I hate to break it to you but I was part of the audience too.


I figured you were part of the audience, otherwise I would hope you would not put down something you didn't even see.

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My entertainment was marred because there were a number of things I could not believe. I found the end scene out of kilter and continuity in respect of character. I found it hard to believe that Spock, emotionally compromised or not, would abandon anyone to their death on a freezing planet. I found it hard to believe that Uhura would come on to Spock,( in any timeline), I didn't believe Simon Pegg WAS Scotty, I found his silly sidekick annoying, I found the notion of Kirk as Twenty-something messed-up product of single parent family a hackneyed cliche,
I didn't recognise the Romulans, I found the attempts at comedy embarrassing and laboured (with a few exceptions).


There are two things in that list that I would definitely agree with: As I've told many before, Spock and Uhura really need to get a room and stop slobbering all over each other on screen. The other would be that, while I did like Pegg as Scotty, the cutesy sidekick undermined his character seriously. Granted this would be because I wanted to see more of the original Scotty in him.

Other than that, Spock didn't abandon Kirk to his death.  The pod was self contained and a beacon was activated so he could be picked up. Kirk was supposed to stay in the capsule and wait. Kirk's character was indeed cliche in some aspects. I wish they would have left in the deleted scenes showing he was actually a good kid and his brother was the rebel. His brother got on his case for always being the good kid. At that point it seemed like that triggered something in him to try and be more like the older brother he looked up to. Another thing that caught me with Kirks character though is that Roddenberry himself grew up being the outcast, always made to feel like there was just something wrong with him. It wasn't until he finally found something that inspired him (science fiction) that he found himself a new purpose in life and eventually we had Star Trek.

I understand it did not reach you. As I said previously:
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I can't say it was a "great" movie either. A lot of it depends though on what you like in a movie.

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Everyone has their own vision of what Star Trek should be and that is fine.

And I will add that, like any movie, some will like it, some won't.

Quote (Somniac @ Dec. 06 2009, 5:36 pm)
Some of this has something to do with my being nearly 60 and a fan of 40 years, yeh, but mostly it is to do with the skill of film making. Creating a harmonious, cohesive and credible story with characters I can identify with. If these things did not worry you, fine. Enjoy. No numbers fiscal or otherwise are going to ease my problems with these issues.
Does that make it any clearer?


Was I unsure of something here? It is good you have been a fan for 40 years as I have. I know you don't like this movie and you have your reasons. I liked it and I have my reasons. I never said you should like it. I'm simply saying that the numbers show that many did like it for there own reasons. Granted, that does not ease the problems you have with it.

slehman805

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:14 pm

Quote (Vger23 @ Dec. 06 2009, 6:36 pm)
Like I said, I didn't like Trek IV, but I would never have the arrogance to claim that it was "not a good movie" becuase I know #### well that it was a VERY good movie. It just happens to be a "good movie" that didn't appeal to me.


WHAT!!!! YOU DID NOT LIKE ST IV???


There is just something seriously wrong with you ;)

slehman805

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 9:49 pm

Quote (Narada @ Dec. 06 2009, 5:01 pm)
Either way I think it was a step in the right direction for Star Trek. For those who do not appreciate this direction I think your opinion will still be considered as Star Trek forges ahead.

I think this was a step in the right direction myself. However, if I was a writer or producer and was getting tons of flack from the ST fans about this and that, I would reach a point where I wouldn't even bother with their opinions next time around or I would at least ignore all negative comments and concentrate on the constructive ones.

Vger23

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 11:10 pm

Quote (slehman805 @ Dec. 06 2009, 9:49 pm)
Quote (Narada @ Dec. 06 2009, 5:01 pm)
Either way I think it was a step in the right direction for Star Trek. For those who do not appreciate this direction I think your opinion will still be considered as Star Trek forges ahead.

I think this was a step in the right direction myself. However, if I was a writer or producer and was getting tons of flack from the ST fans about this and that, I would reach a point where I wouldn't even bother with their opinions next time around or I would at least ignore all negative comments and concentrate on the constructive ones.

I think if you were a writer or producer, you'd be ESPECIALLY compelled to ignore those comments if they were contrary to much of what made the movie successful to begin with.

Why would ANYONE listen to a few whiny fans when the existing formula and style resulted in resounding success?

Somniac

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Report this Dec. 07 2009, 5:31 am

Quote (slehman805 @ Dec. 06 2009, 11:03 pm)
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BTW, "bums on seats" is an English expression meaning the number of people in the audience. It was not meant as any kind of insult.



I know that. ?That is why there is the wink on the end.

Sorry. I don't see one.

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