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To go to warp while ejecting ones warp drive

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Report this Nov. 24 2009, 11:49 pm

I saw the movie in the theater once, and yesterday got the DVD.

During the new movie, the Enterprise ejects its own warp drive while at warp. It's during the scene while the enemy ship lets loose its red matter and creates a black hole, the Enterprise gets sucked in while at warp, and is sort of stuck in one place for a while. They decide that ejecting the warp core would solve the problem. My problem is, that if the ship was at warp, and you ejected the warp core, would that not destroy the ship?

As Scotty once said, "when that much matter and anti matter come together oh yes, it will indeed"

Also ...

How was it that Spock was late to save Romulus? Did he oversleep? Why didn't Nero just take the red matter to the planet which was going to go supernova, and destroy the sun in the past, then return home?

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 12:36 am

Read the Countdown comics if you wish to know why prime Spock is late getting to the Hobus star. There is back story which explains. It also explains your other question about Nero. Only prime Spock had Red Matter and not Nero but it was Nero who went to Romulus to try and save his wife. Nobody travels through time on purpose it is a side effect from using the Red Matter on the Hobus star. With the warp core ejection I do not know the answer to that question but I can look into it.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 12:40 am

Quote (guideX @ Nov. 24 2009, 11:49 pm)
How was it that Spock was late to save Romulus? Seriously? Did he oversleep or something?

He was distraught by Adam Lambert giving us all the finger.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 1:10 am

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Quote (guideX @ Nov. 24 2009, 11:49 pm)
How was it that Spock was late to save Romulus? Seriously? Did he oversleep or something?

He was distraught by Adam Lambert giving us all the finger.

Who?

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 1:42 am

Quote (guideX @ Nov. 24 2009, 11:49 pm)
I saw the movie in the theater once, and yesterday got the DVD.

During the new movie, the Enterprise ejects its own warp drive while at warp. It's during the scene while the enemy ship lets loose its red matter and creates a black hole, the Enterprise gets sucked in while at warp, and is sort of stuck in one place for a while. They decide that ejecting the warp core would solve the problem. My problem is, that if the ship was at warp, and you ejected the warp core, would that not destroy the ship?

As Scotty once said, "when that much matter and anti matter come together oh yes, it will indeed"

I believe they only ejected some of the core.
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Why didn't Nero just take the red matter to the planet which was going to go supernova, and destroy the sun in the past, then return home?

Even if he did that he wouldnt have his wife and child because they werent born yet.

He wanted revenge first and formost.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 2:11 am

I pondered this too when I first saw it. If you eject your warp coil, and weren't blown up because you were still at warp, you would assume that you wouldn't be still traveling at warp speed. And the moment you stop traveling at warp speed, you think you would be sucked in by the black hole.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 2:37 am

It is very tricky. Right as you eject the warp core you must put impulse thrusters on full. Unless you are at critical distance from the singularity you will not be sucked in. After the warp core detonates it is enough to push them away. That is why Spock says thrusters on full at the end.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 3:07 am

Thrusters on full would be a drastic decrease in speed from being at maximum warp. The moment they loose warp drive, the gravitational pull would have less resistance and begin to pull them in.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 4:16 am

That is why you must be beyond the critical distance of getting pulled in to the event horizon. The warp core will detonate right before the event horizon. With impulse thrusters on full they will keep the Enterprise from getting sucked in completely providing they are far enough away. Then the blast propels them forward enough to get them out of the gravity pull. If they were any closer this maneuver would not work. This is why Scotty said it could maybe work. Because it only works if they were not further in.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 7:21 am

Quote (guideX @ Nov. 25 2009, 4:49 am)
I saw the movie in the theater once, and yesterday got the DVD.

During the new movie, the Enterprise ejects its own warp drive while at warp. It's during the scene while the enemy ship lets loose its red matter and creates a black hole, the Enterprise gets sucked in while at warp, and is sort of stuck in one place for a while. They decide that ejecting the warp core would solve the problem. My problem is, that if the ship was at warp, and you ejected the warp core, would that not destroy the ship?

As Scotty once said, "when that much matter and anti matter come together oh yes, it will indeed"

Also ...

How was it that Spock was late to save Romulus? Did he oversleep? Why didn't Nero just take the red matter to the planet which was going to go supernova, and destroy the sun in the past, then return home?

That's not the only problem. If they are at warp it's impossible for the blackhole to hold them there. Warp isn't like impulse which propels the ship forward using thrust. A warp engine creates a bubble around the ship which shrinks space in front of the ship, bringing objects closer, and enlarges space behind it which pushes objects further away.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 9:52 am

Well, to completely dork out for a moment (which I suppose is relative on a Trek movie board):

The factor of Warp that the ship is traveling at indicates the degree to which the surrounding bubble of spacetime is actually being 'warped,' as you said DS9Trek, compressing in front and expanding in back.  

However, if you're stuck in the gravity well of a black hole, local spacetime is already VERY 'steep', and even at maximum warp you may only be able to 'level' the local field, translating into the ship basically sitting still, using all of it's spacetime warping ability just to level the local gravity well and not get sucked in.  That's what was going on.  

What happens when you eject said warp core while at warp?  I'm thinking nothing good.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 12:05 pm

Quote (guideX @ Nov. 24 2009, 11:49 pm)
I saw the movie in the theater once, and yesterday got the DVD.

During the new movie, the Enterprise ejects its own warp drive while at warp. It's during the scene while the enemy ship lets loose its red matter and creates a black hole, the Enterprise gets sucked in while at warp, and is sort of stuck in one place for a while. They decide that ejecting the warp core would solve the problem. My problem is, that if the ship was at warp, and you ejected the warp core, would that not destroy the ship?

As Scotty once said, "when that much matter and anti matter come together oh yes, it will indeed"

Also ...

How was it that Spock was late to save Romulus? Did he oversleep? Why didn't Nero just take the red matter to the planet which was going to go supernova, and destroy the sun in the past, then return home?

There is nothing in the movie to indicate whether or not they dropped out of warp right before they ejected the core which would obviously have to be the case.

I think you are referring to the antimatter explosion destroying the Enterprise.  You need to remember a black hole would have absorbed most of that energy.  It would actually feed the black hole though.  Getting away on impulse seems a bit sketchy and the blast still pushed them away which would put a lot of stress on the ship but there are plenty of science problems in this new movie.  I still enjoyed it though.  I just hope they get the science a little better next time around.

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 12:43 pm

Next time my starship gets stuck in the gravity well of a black hole I will eject my warp core and let you guys know the results.

Even so that was a hell of a nutrek warp core being spilt into ten or how many pieces?

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 1:04 pm

Quote (31st_Century_Temporal_Agent @ Nov. 25 2009, 9:43 am)
Next time my starship gets stuck in the gravity well of a black hole I will eject my warp core and let you guys know the results.

Even so that was a hell of a nutrek warp core being spilt into ten or how many pieces?

It wasn't the warp core. They are the anti-matter storage pods(an idea they borrowed from the TNG tech manual BTW)

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Report this Nov. 25 2009, 2:13 pm

Actually the Enterprise was already at warp when they were caught in the gravity well and they ejected the core or the anti-matter pods to create a shockwave to push the Enterprise away from the gravity well.

This is also another reason why Abrams wanted to make a movie were this type of nitpicking doesn't matter to the average movie fan.

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