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How should Kirk have died?

Pooneil

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 3:58 pm

The only problem I have with Kirk's death in "Generations" is that we didn't get to see the reactions of his friends. It doesn't matter one iota HOW he died -- pneumonia, cancer, traffic accident, bridge collapse, photon torpedo to the head, whatever -- when his death failed to have an impact on the people who were closest to him. The most we got was Chekov saying "My god!" For his death to matter we should have seen  how Spock and Bones were affected by it. I mean, he was a third of their personality, so what would they be able to do without him?

Vold

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Report this Dec. 10 2009, 4:22 pm

Spock is stuck on Romulus
Scotty is out galaventing the Quadrant in a shuttle
Bones may be dead or finally sitting down somewhere
Sulu is probably patrolling the neutral zone
Chekov ?
Uhura ?

If Picard contacted Spock some how, Spock would be like, "Facinating" turns back to his Romulan friends & continue on with their discussion.

Pooneil

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 1:28 pm

Quote (Vold @ Dec. 10 2009, 4:22 pm)
Spock is stuck on Romulus
Scotty is out galaventing the Quadrant in a shuttle
Bones may be dead or finally sitting down somewhere
Sulu is probably patrolling the neutral zone
Chekov ?
Uhura ?

If Picard contacted Spock some how, Spock would be like, "Facinating" turns back to his Romulan friends & continue on with their discussion.

Yes...but the first time he "died" was on the Enterprise-B in the beginning of the film. I think if the writers wanted to make his death really affective they would not have displaced it one hundred years into the future.

I like Kirk, but I don't feel like he ever really died because we never saw what his own time period was like without him. Imagine the Federation in mourning, the Klingons rejoicing, women everywhere going without child-support for Kirk's wild oats.

Narada

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Report this Dec. 11 2009, 1:34 pm

Quote (Ali88 @ Dec. 09 2009, 6:41 pm)
As far as I'm concerned Star Trek Generations is not canon

I like to think this is what happened after TUC

McCoy became a teacher in science and medicine at starfleet academy, Spock retired from starfleet and returned to Vulcan

Sulu stayed as captain of the excelsior and Checkov went tos erve with Sulu as first officer, Uhura became a teacher at starfleet academy, in 2294, Scotty retired from starfleet but then vanished (TNG "Relics")

And James T Kirk offically retired from starship command in 2293 and became a teacher at starfleet academy and also was the evalutor of cadets taking the kobashyi maru test

5 years later in 2298, the Enterprise B was built and first commisioned and only Kirk, Spock and McCoy are the guests on board the ship's first maiden voyage

After the maiden voyage is over, Kirk wishes the captain and it's crew well

A short time later, the federation is faced with a new threat which results in starfleet recommisoning the enterprise A and Kirk, Spock and mcCoy come back and Kirk becomes the captain of the enterprise one more time and the enteprise A meets up with the enterprise B and the two ships go off together battling the enemy right within the solar system and in the end, a kobyashi maru scenerio occurs and it ends with Kirk beaming Spock and McCoy over to the enterprise B and Kirk dies all alone on board the enteprise A in order to save the solar system, including Earth itself, Spock, McCoy, the enterprise B itself, it's crew and of course it's captain


That's how Kirk died, as far as I'm concerned

That is fine for fans to come up with their own scenario for what occurs. This is the difference between canon and fanon. A fan can create their own fanon and it will not be official but only personal.

lostshaker

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Report this Dec. 13 2009, 2:11 pm

Quote (Pooneil @ Dec. 11 2009, 1:28 pm)
Yes...but the first time he "died" was on the Enterprise-B in the beginning of the film. I think if the writers wanted to make his death really affective they would not have displaced it one hundred years into the future.

I like Kirk, but I don't feel like he ever really died because we never saw what his own time period was like without him. Imagine the Federation in mourning, the Klingons rejoicing, women everywhere going without child-support for Kirk's wild oats.

I liked the fact that Kirk died out of his time. It was one more thing that spoke to him saying that he would die alone - not the literal meaning of the line of course.

And I think the Klingons would be rejoicing out of respect. While many saw him as an enemy, many also wanted to engage Kirk in battle. Kirk died in the line of duty, which is honorable for a Klingon. And finally, Klingons drink with their enemies when off duty - they celebrate great battles.

Kesfan74656

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Report this Aug. 17 2010, 9:05 am

I heartily agree with Narada's sentiment, that it's fine for fans to devise their own end for Kirk, or any number of st scenarios-alternate.If Bill Shatner can bring him back in his novels(Ghost-written by the Reeves-Stevenses, of course)why not any of us? My theory involved an agent from the Preservers, who plucks Jim literally SECONDS before he is to crash to his death from Veridian...citing their superior's needs for him in some future crisis. Yes, I have read the Shatbook ''Presever'', and this influenced some of my thoughts, but, I wasn't much for how he was brought back in the Shatbooks, no offense to the RS's. But, what matters is, that he did come back. Yes, Kirk could as well remain left in history as the great hero, and explorer he was, and allow the 'next generations' to ever honor and appreciate him...but, we do love to keep our heroes(and heroines!!-hello Kes!) onward, that's part of being a devoted fan...and there almost more Kirkfans, as stars in the galaxy..LOL...


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

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