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WilliamArtimarFlint

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Report this Nov. 19 2009, 4:06 pm

I really enjoyed star trek. Saw it many times, bought the dvd, and it was fun. But the trek fan and story editor in me had trouble getting over this one question. Why did the movie have to jump 25 years?

I mean, all the interviews and stories about making the movie dealt with telling us how kirk, spock and bones met and become the bridge crew of the enterprise. So why couldn't the movie be focused on that from the start?
The character who's life was affected by the narada coming when it did was kirk. But that was just a gimmick to have him not in star fleet yet. Everyone elses life went as it should, up until the attack on vulcan. Granted Checkov's age is in question.

So if all the writers wanted from the new trek is to have Kirk not want to be in star fleet or to be more precise having seen the movie make Kirk "down and out", they didn't have to start from his birth.

Have the movie start in 2258. George Kirk is captain of the Kelvin ferring Admiral Robau to a federation planet near the klingon neutral zone. The narada arrives and attacks. Robau takes command as he is the ranking officer. Boards the Narada dies, Kirk evacuates etc. etc. Kevlin destroyed, crew saved.
Let's go to the USS Faragut, constitution class, is diverted to pick up the survivors of the Kelvin. Lt. James T. Kirk serves aboard the ship as a tacticle officer(put him in a red shirt for fun-just for this). He finds his mother who tells him of his fathers sacrifice. Kirk falls into anger and depression. Let's also allude to Kirk having encountered the gas cloud that killed several members of the Faragut a short while earlier. His anger gets the best of him and he gets relieved of duty. Kirk decides to resign and grieve(note: Kirk is still young, not the captain we know yet.).

Now to add another dimension to Nero, cos I found him not all that great a villian. We have the Narada limp back to Romulus where Nero advises the Empire to work on destroying the supernova that would destroy Romulus and in addition launch a full scale attack on the Federation. The empire scoffs at Nero's plan and attempt to take the Narada and refit its technology to their own ships. Nero manages to escape and decides to destroy the federation on his own, proving his power to Romulus and taking revenge for his planets destruction.

Kirk returns to Earth, lives in San Fransico where a memorial for George Kirk is held. Kirk gets drunk wanders around Star Fleet where he meets and tries to pick up Uhura, resulting in a bar fight, leading to Pike to have a sit down with him, aksing Kirk to reconsider his resignation etc etc. Kirk wanders Star Fleet academy, seeing picuters of his father, and other star fleet officers. He sobers up and decides to return to star fleet but instead of returning as a tacticle officer he decides to take a career route for command. He finds Bones working at Star Fleet medical to help him with the kobyashi maru. Bones reminds Kirk and our audience that Kirk decided to go the tacticle route in star fleet because he failed the test twice. Kirk gets bones to do it anyway, Kirk beats the test, we then jump to the inquerey where Kirk meets Spock, we then have distress call on Vulcan and movie continues on.

Things that can be addressed with these changes:
The similarities between Vulcan's and Romulan's (a reflection of balance of power)
Kirk having his father stolen from him, replacing the "you can't miss what you never had" approach to his father; which Abrahms tried to address with the Spock Prime mind meld scene in the ice cave.
Having Kirk and Spock sharing the loss of a family member in a shorter period and how each of them deals with the situation allows for more conflict. Kirk being able to embrace his emotions regarding his father instead of burying them allows him to become less "emotioanlly compromised" than Spock. Also Kirk's time on Delta Vega and meeting Spock Prime would help him move on for the time being.
The Enterprise could be at Earth undergoing or just getting a refit completed after a few years. Thus making it look a bit more different and more advanced than the Farragut. The last mission the Enterprise had was to Talos IV which I think took place in 2254.

These are just my fan boy ideas, and questions I had while watching the movie and how I would have done it.

post your own and discuss.

Monad

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Report this Nov. 20 2009, 10:52 pm

Basically the creators of this last movie were idiots. Sure the movie as just a movie was entertaining but why not make a good movie and please Star Trek fans also by not screwing the whole Star Trek universe completely. I mean the only worst thing than destroying Vulcan would have been to destroy Earth and killing everyone.
This idiots changed the whole past by destroying a major planet and major part of the federation. And the problem with them doing that, is because it's like they are saying to us, remember all that episodes and movies you watched until now? Well forget them because the whole past changed. Yeah nothing of those happened and you just wasted your time watching them.Hahaha!!. Really, can they get more ridiculous.
Are the screenwriters so weak of imagination that they can't make a Star Trek film with out screwing everything up with another time travel shit?
Really if they wanted to make a story with the TOS cast in there younger years they could have made a thousand stories. There was no need to create a new time-line. They could show a big enemy and how Kirk took command of the Enterprise and staff with out changing the time-line. ¿It's like they did it just so they can show the old Spok or to piss off the loyal Star Trek fans.
And why not make a new story in the future with a new crew? It wouldn't be bad if we could see the Enterprise-F. Are we gonna stay stuck at TOS and TNG forever because the Hollywood idiots have the inspiration of a ####roach and they are unable to continue to the future and create new interesting characters? ¿ ¿
There are so many things they could do. There are so many periods in Star Trek that we never saw. Romulan war, Enterprise B and C stories and thousands more.
There way of doing things is completely illogical. Why disappoint anyone if you can please everyone. ¿
They could do anything but NO!! let's change everything and make all the things that happened in Star Trek until now useless.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Nov. 21 2009, 12:06 am

Quote (Monad @ Nov. 20 2009, 10:52 pm)
Basically the creators of this last movie were idiots. Sure the movie as just a movie was entertaining but why not make a good movie and please Star Trek fans also by not screwing the whole Star Trek universe completely. I mean the only worst thing than destroying Vulcan would have been to destroy Earth and killing everyone.
This idiots changed the whole past by destroying a major planet and major part of the federation. And the problem with them doing that, is because it's like they are saying to us, remember all that episodes and movies you watched until now? Well forget them because the whole past changed. Yeah nothing of those happened and you just wasted your time watching them.Hahaha!!. Really, can they get more ridiculous.
Are the screenwriters so weak of imagination that they can't make a Star Trek film with out screwing everything up with another time travel shit?
Really if they wanted to make a story with the TOS cast in there younger years they could have made a thousand stories. There was no need to create a new time-line. They could show a big enemy and how Kirk took command of the Enterprise and staff with out changing the time-line. ?It's like they did it just so they can show the old Spok or to piss off the loyal Star Trek fans.
And why not make a new story in the future with a new crew? It wouldn't be bad if we could see the Enterprise-F. Are we gonna stay stuck at TOS and TNG forever because the Hollywood idiots have the inspiration of a ####roach and they are unable to continue to the future and create new interesting characters? ? ?
There are so many things they could do. There are so many periods in Star Trek that we never saw. Romulan war, Enterprise B and C stories and thousands more.
There way of doing things is completely illogical. Why disappoint anyone if you can please everyone. ?
They could do anything but NO!! let's change everything and make all the things that happened in Star Trek until now useless.

Nope.

GalaxyClass14

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 8:58 pm

Quote (WkdYngMan @ Nov. 20 2009, 1:06 am)
Quote (Monad @ Nov. 20 2009, 10:52 pm)
Basically the creators of this last movie were idiots. Sure the movie as just a movie was entertaining but why not make a good movie and please Star Trek fans also by not screwing the whole Star Trek universe completely. I mean the only worst thing than destroying Vulcan would have been to destroy Earth and killing everyone.
This idiots changed the whole past by destroying a major planet and major part of the federation. And the problem with them doing that, is because it's like they are saying to us, remember all that episodes and movies you watched until now? Well forget them because the whole past changed. Yeah nothing of those happened and you just wasted your time watching them.Hahaha!!. Really, can they get more ridiculous.
Are the screenwriters so weak of imagination that they can't make a Star Trek film with out screwing everything up with another time travel shit?
Really if they wanted to make a story with the TOS cast in there younger years they could have made a thousand stories. There was no need to create a new time-line. They could show a big enemy and how Kirk took command of the Enterprise and staff with out changing the time-line. ?It's like they did it just so they can show the old Spok or to piss off the loyal Star Trek fans.
And why not make a new story in the future with a new crew? It wouldn't be bad if we could see the Enterprise-F. Are we gonna stay stuck at TOS and TNG forever because the Hollywood idiots have the inspiration of a ####roach and they are unable to continue to the future and create new interesting characters? ? ?
There are so many things they could do. There are so many periods in Star Trek that we never saw. Romulan war, Enterprise B and C stories and thousands more.
There way of doing things is completely illogical. Why disappoint anyone if you can please everyone. ?
They could do anything but NO!! let's change everything and make all the things that happened in Star Trek until now useless.

Nope.

sweet

laughing
and
laughing
and
etc.

hmmm
let me see
if i can quote this

GalaxyClass14

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 9:07 pm

nope

GalaxyClass14

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Report this Nov. 29 2009, 9:12 pm

would not fit
in profile

would not be effective
without quoting 'quote'

still...

it was brilliant

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