Star Trek

Thank you, guys, with all my heart, for your posts, they got me thinking. It's clear to me now that I must see the movie once again and see whether my opinion would be the same as it is now. Maybe it was a bit premature of me to start this thread after just one viewing (I didn't have the time to watch the extras). Yes, the pace was very fast, and I also hold it against the movie, it's as it was made for those with very short attention span (like my son). Maybe I'm just too old for such a pace (I'm 35) . Anyway, I'm sure that because this pace I've missed quite a lot.

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I just re-watched ST:XI yesterday (DVD rental) and I don't think it has a strong "TOS" feel to it. TOS and XI do have their ST connection, but XI is more about loud explosions, action, and flashiness while TOS has more thoughtfulness and substance to it (IMO). I think the creators said they wanted to give the film more of a SW feel to it...which is a little stupid because SW and TOS aren't the same thing even though they're both sci-fi. I had a lot of issues with the new movie. S/U, style over substance (like I said), portrayal of Romulans, the alternate universe thing, destroying Vulcan, etc. I don't get why they made Nero the way he was. I think the Romulans in TOS are far more interesting, intelligent, and even elegant as villains. They're not this dark group of angry people who are so openly violent, they're much more subtle than that. I love them and the depiction of them in XI is just cliche and lame. Anyway, as far as the new actors go, I think Zach Quinto and Karl Urban did the best jobs as Spock and Bones. I still can't quite buy Pine's Kirk although I know he has his fans...or maybe I just take Shatner's Kirk much too seriously. No one else is ever going to be Kirk for me, call me a boring stick in the mud if you will. Zoe Saldana as Uhura was okay but not as alluring as Nichelle Nichols. And the actor who played Scotty... I found him LOUD and annoying, nowhere near as loveable and adorable as James Doohan. Eh...I'm just an old-school TOSer although I'm still in my 20's. But....thumbs up to seeing Leonard Nimoy in the film, of course.

Actually I agree with 99% of what you wrote here . The remaining 1 % is that I'm not totally sure how I feel about nuSpock. It has more to do with his character, not the actor's performance.

I didn't see the extras, but I'd never forgive them what they did with the Romulans.
And with Vulcan

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Quote (Croatine @ Nov. 19 2009, 11:40 pm) Actually I agree with 99% of what you wrote here . The remaining 1 % is that I'm not totally sure how I feel about nuSpock. It has more to do with his character, not the actor's performance. I didn't see the extras, but I'd never forgive them what they did with the Romulans. And with Vulcan Wow, someone agrees with me. What bothered you about nuSpock? Sigh...I dunno what they were thinking when they "updated" the Romulans...

To me Spock is not only emotional, he's plain hysterical in the movie. hysterical and vindictive (leaving Kirk outside the outpost). I'm sorry, but this fit of rage in reaction to some mocking words? OK, I remember he lost his mother, but still, he's the Acting Captain .

And kissing Uhura in front of the crew? I may believe that he's more emotional and attached to some girl in this universe, but I refuse to believe in such displays on his part. Actually, this Spock/Uhura thing was so totally unconvincing it made me laugh.

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I find it funny how people call it star wars like when George Lucas was inspired by Star Trek to make Star Wars....

I think it's because, even if Lucas was inspired by ST, the original SW and ST then were very different, mostly in style. Now they are not so much, even visually. I, for one, also couldn't shake the feeling that Kirk has something of Luke in him (a farmboy who decided to see the stars and was risen without his father who died in space, and then met a wise man, an acquaintance of his father etc. ).

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However, Spock's fit of rage echoes what occurred in the ep "This Side of Paradise," where Kirk mocked Spock to snap him out of his "drugged" spell--so I would not say that Spock is incapable of angry and irrational behavior given the right "emotionally compromising" circumstances (such as grief).

Yes, but remember that in "The Other Side..." Jim who was mocking spock, was his best friend, the person he trusted most, with whom he felt secure. That's why this mocking, these insults, were so awful and painful, and that's why our Spock lost control.

Here, he doesn't like, doesn't respect this Kirk, he considers him a nuiance and a fraud. Why should he care at all what some jerk thinks about him and his competence?

it depends which scenes im watching.

of course from a technical POV...we're hearing the names kirk/spock/mccoy & that automatically makes us think of TOS-era.

then we see the enterprise. she was the disappointment for me. she was to "technical" not enough cheesy/cardboard & styrofoam backdrop scenes that im used to associating with TOS LOL

but that is a minor point for me.

i think the new gang has their characters pretty well...for a first movie. zoe as uhura i find is the most changed though but i still like her take on it.

then jsut when we're settling in to a TOS-y feeling...they hit us with something...destory vulcan/killing amanda....we're reminded a few times that this is a dif universe.

then we're reassured that its still the same gang..only with dif experiences. liek FINALLY bringing spock/uhura toghether. gene r. had siad (in some book or other...cant link it...though ssmukhi's good at finding these links) that he had always wanted spock/uhura togheterh but she was a black lady already holding enough position as some ranking officer & hollywood didnt see the point of having her with a white male on top of it. (this barrier is later broken with that famous inter r kiss later...which...btw...should of been spock/uhura...but shatner wanted that spotlight lol) we were left with some flirtatiuos hints of spock/uhura in TOS...but never actually saw it until now. i love this pairing & i hope they keep it for a whle.

(seeing as i veiw both spock/kirk as bi...to me...it wont affect an K/S possibilites in the futer LOL)

another touch to TOS was bringing in nimoy as a guest appearence. his old spockwas the bridge over the gap between the 2 timelines.

like you though, i do wish they had given somethiign more/better for eric bana to do but oh well.

the best one for this movie though is karl urban! the perfect bones! he was so good that apparently nimoy started cryinig (remembing his old freind de kelly) & had to leave the stage! quite a performance for me LOL

on the whole i loved the movie...i just...miss the cheesiness of the old TOS....

btw...i just found out...chris pine didnt even want to do star trek it seems! LMAO

silly man!

Chris Pine interview

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Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Nov. 19 2009, 8:30 pm) Well at least to me the Enterprise was one of the most important characters in TOS.. AND There can be only one NCC-1701! ?No bloody refit OR reboot! Wow, I feel the exact same way. I love the original Enterprise. When it comes to spaceships, she is my first love. I love the way she looks and beeps and whirrs. She really does have a personality! I've never gotten excited over the refits. I had a friend who said he didn't like the Ent because she wasn't really fit to be a battleship...then I had to explain to him that Starfleet isn't so much a military organization as it is an exploratory and peace-keeping one, oy vey.

Mind you to me Pike's Enterprise is the original Enterprise, by the time Kirk took command in TOS it had been refited.

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Quote (lostshaker @ Nov. 19 2009, 2:17 pm) No connection to TOS. Actually, I couldn't see Star Trek in it either. Then clearly you know very little about TOS and TREK in general. I find it funny how people call it star wars like when George Lucas was inspired by Star Trek to make Star Wars....

I know all about TOS and Trek. I've got all the shows from all the series and all ten movies and have them faithfully committed to memory. I've got the original shows, I've got Sci Fi's remastered and re-edited edition, and I've got the DVDs.

But when in TOS was Kirk ever an obnoxious drunken fondling jerk? I guess this is Star Trek if you take a page from the animated series and go with "Kirk the jerk", then I'll agree on that basis.