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The captain in the next series should be Asian

illanaki

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Report this Dec. 06 2009, 10:02 pm

I wouldn't want it to be a vulcan though.

Vol_

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Report this Dec. 25 2009, 7:00 am

As long as the actor is good, who cares what he is. For the producers to MUST find an asian is just foolish.

If it were up to me, he'd be Andorian, and he'd look down at the humans and try to get them to be more Andorian.

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Report this Dec. 26 2009, 7:50 pm

Keep the captain, the main lead character, human.  Having gobs of makeup as a requirement for the job scares away a lot of good talent.

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Report this Dec. 26 2009, 11:31 pm

I agree that Trek is not racist (just homophobic...) but it would be very suspect if the next Captain were a white male.

But not unthinkable--as others have said, if some great talent rose to the top of the heap. Bakula was about the only white male actor LAST time that could have kept me from kicking and screaming about the trend.

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Report this Dec. 27 2009, 2:00 pm

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Keep the captain, the main lead character, human. ¿Having gobs of makeup as a requirement for the job scares away a lot of good talent.

Just being sci-fi scares away a lot of good actors. You just get the best actor you can for what you're doing.

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Report this Dec. 27 2009, 3:05 pm

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Report this Dec. 27 2009, 6:25 pm

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Star trek is racist

That person is an idiot. How can you compare what Sisko said about Ferengi to black people. The best comparison would be an American saying to his son "Arab/Japanese/Indian/European cultural values aren't better or worse than ours, just different". And that's a fair statement.

The second thing... Picard isn't assuming anything about Klingons, he stating what he knows to be true of a Klingon he considers to be a friend.

The third thing people do all the time with nationality! "You're a fiery woman you must have some Scottish blood." "You're passionate you must have some Italian in there." It goes on and on. That whole lot is a load of dribble.

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Report this Dec. 27 2009, 7:08 pm

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The second thing... Picard isn't assuming anything about Klingons, he stating what he knows to be true of a Klingon he considers to be a friend.
 Of course he is as he is assuming Worf (who was raised by HUMANS) would automatically have all of the cultural traits of other Klingon.

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Report this Dec. 28 2009, 1:10 pm

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The second thing... Picard isn't assuming anything about Klingons, he stating what he knows to be true of a Klingon he considers to be a friend.
¿Of course he is as he is assuming Worf (who was raised by HUMANS) would automatically have all of the cultural traits of other Klingon.

Wong has sunk to a depth i cannot fathom.
What an ignorant SOB. All those "examples" he gave, more so his interpretations of them, prove he is an idiot, or attacking Star Trek in another manner. Let's not forget, this is the same guy who spends considerable amounts of time flaming Trek and Trekkies on his websites, and is also known for banning those who can prove he is wrong, or just an idiot.

If you're reading this, I hope you choke you twisted, jealous, mother funker.

The only racism in Trek I have seen is not white supremacy, but Human supremacy. Yes, I am sick of humans being hailed as the greatest species that ever existed. But isint that normal ? I challenge someone to tell me that if aliens came to Earth RIGHT NOW, most of the supremist groups would be protesting and coming up with slurs just for them. Hell, the US government would try to capture and cut them open.

Let's take a look at his "examples, shall we ? :

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 The Klingons: In TNG, Worf once suffered a severe back injury and it was thought that he would be paralyzed for life. He asked Riker to kill him, and Riker refused. Picard then chastised Riker for not being sensitive to Worf's Klingon cultural values. When the doctor insisted that Worf learn to live with his disability just as any human would be expected to, Picard chastised her as well, for expecting Worf to make a cultural leap that was "too far, dammit, too far!". Classic example of racism- assuming that all Klingons (even one that was raised by adoptive human parents, on a Federation colony) are compelled to hold Klingon cultural values, and are incapable of understanding human cultural values. Very similar to the previous example.  


First of all, even though he was raised by humans among humans, Worf has ALWAYS considered himself a Klingon. Something you might have observed by WATCHING the show you twit.
Second, Worf was paralyzed and wanted to die. How many humans have the same wish in real life in the same situations? How many actually do take their own lives? If you lived some 500 years ago, would you have called the Samurai "culturally insensitive" for practicing seppuku ? Something, if you had any honor at all, would go do right now.

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Mixed-race children: Every single mixed-race child in the history of Star Trek "entertains" us with the same endless, repetitive, oh-so emotional speeches about how "I am torn between my Klingon half and my human half", or "I am torn between my Vulcan half and my human half". Torn between two worlds, two cultures at war with one another, yadda yadda yadda. What's the message? Mixed-race children are culturally confused. Hidden message? Don't have mixed-race children. Well, I have a pair of mixed-race children. Does this mean that my sons will someday complain that "I am torn between my asian half and my european half?" Will they be maladjusted? Will their lives be full of hardship and inner turmoil? Was I wrong to have mixed-race children? Was my interracial marriage a mistake? I don't think so. And I think that Star Trek is sending some pretty ####ed offensive messages about mixed-race children.  
 

It's not so simple. For your children it might be something banal as what holiday to celebrate or when. It's not the same as "Gee, should I go see poppa on Bajor for the festival of lights, or Mother on Betazed for the Millar wedding?"
While we're at it, let's lock up Samuel L Jackson for saying in "Shaft" to Richard Roundtree after quitting his job "I've always felt too back for the uniform, too blue for the brothers."  He is assuming all black people and the police are enemies.

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The Star Trek definition of "species": The evolutionary definition of species is simply that species are considered truly different if they cannot interbreed to produce fertile offspring. But in Star Trek, Klingons and humans are described as different "species" even though they can breed to produce fertile offspring. In "Emissary", K'ehleyr (a daughter of a mixed marriage) fooled around with Worf, and became pregnant by accident, thus proving that she is quite fertile. There are many other "cross-species" characters in Star Trek (starting with Spock), and it doesn't seem that difficult, since it can happen by accident (eg. K'ehleyr and Worf) or in primitive conditions (eg. Worf's brother Nikolai and a Boraalan woman in "Homeward"). So, what does this mean? It means that the various humanoid races of the Star Trek galaxy are not different species, even though the Federation claims that they are. The historical parallels are quite disturbing; during the height of African slavery, the slave traders' apologists claimed that blacks were a sub-human "species", so there was no need to treat them as humans (read: whites). Biologically and genetically, this position was pure nonsense; they were taking a few superficial differences and exaggerating them into a biological wall of separation where none existed. They even ignored the fact that blacks and whites could easily produce children. Does this sound familiar to you? Captain Picard was stunned when Beverly said that the DNA of the various "species" might be "chemically compatible" in "The Chase", even though there is a long and distinguished list of "cross-species" matings in Federation history.


This is a mistake on the writers part, I'm not a geneticist, so I wont get into it. It's a television show, they need drama. While a conversation between Worf and his mate being like - "You gave me crabs" "By my Klingon blood I shall provide for those crabs" - would be more interesting, it's not as dramatic as "I'm pregnant".
As for "The Chase", let me remind you all, Mr. Wong is criminally known for taking something out of context and bending it to suit his purposes.  He has failed to mention that in this episode the plot was, long ago there was a progenitor race that seeded the galaxy so that there would one day be many species. Picard's surprise was meant to be surprise at the historical fact, not biological.


I sometimes read Mr. Wong's thoughts, ramblings, idiocy, and find them very amusing. He hates Star Trek so much he has decided to attack it by any means at his disposal, but as I said earlier, he has sunk to new depths.


No, wait ! I'm wrong ! We're all dirty racists, lock us up. Luck me up in a padded room, I've been reading too much of Wong's crap.

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Report this Dec. 28 2009, 2:01 pm

[quote=chr3335,Dec. 28 2009, 12:08 am]
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?But Sisko is saying ALL Ferengi are like that even ones not raised on Ferengi that is racist.

[quote]The third thing people do all the time with nationality! "You're a fiery woman you must have some Scottish blood." "You're passionate you must have some Italian in there." It goes on and on. That whole lot is a load of dribble.
?And yet it is still racist or did you miss the authors example.

:eyesroll:

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Report this Dec. 28 2009, 8:14 pm

Let's count. More lessons in ST about why NOT to be prejudiced than there are examples of prejudice being touted or tolerated.

ST grows with the times--correction, ST helps the "times" to "grow".

Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is foolish, but people still insist on doing it.

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