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Roxann Dawson vs. Jennifer Lien

LtPondwater9

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Report this Nov. 09 2009, 5:15 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Yanks @ Nov. 08 2009, 6:56 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (ENT567 @ Nov. 09 2009, 4:47 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (TheChronicOne @ Nov. 05 2009 @ 12:49 am)> id="QUOTE">How people get into arguments over this stupid shit is beyond me.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (SLagonia @ Nov. 09 2009, 4:31 pm)

Better this than stupid canon wars, ha.

:O

Agreed! ¿He might be the most universally beloved of all.
I third that. He certainly is one of my most favorite characters. I wish I could work with a doctor like him. But to each his own. :)

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Report this Nov. 09 2009, 7:10 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (ENT567 @ Nov. 09 2009, 4:47 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (TheChronicOne @ Nov. 05 2009 @ 12:49 am)> id="QUOTE">How people get into arguments over this stupid shit is beyond me.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Yanks @ Nov. 09 2009, 3:56 pm)

Better this than stupid canon wars, ha.

:O
I didn't like him at first either for the same reason ENT567 gave.

I found McCoy very crude & almost like a man out of time compared to the century he grew up in which seemed very odd.  Also for someone that went thru. Starfleet academy, he was always insubordinate as if nobody ever taught him to respect the chain of command and too not speak out of term..

exodus201

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Report this Nov. 09 2009, 7:19 pm

Quote (TheChronicOne @ Nov. 09 2009, 7:15 pm)
#### ya'll.

McCoy is a pimp. ¿




:O :laugh: :laugh:

So where were his b itches?   :laugh:

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Report this Nov. 10 2009, 1:06 am

Quote (exodus201 @ Nov. 09 2009, 7:19 pm)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Nov. 09 2009, 7:15 pm)
#### ya'll.

McCoy is a pimp. ?




:O :laugh: :laugh:

So where were his b itches? ¿ :laugh:

exodus201

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Report this Nov. 10 2009, 9:15 am

Quote (Cherry_On_Top @ Nov. 10 2009, 1:06 am)
Quote (exodus201 @ Nov. 09 2009, 7:19 pm)
Quote (TheChronicOne @ Nov. 09 2009, 7:15 pm)
#### ya'll.

McCoy is a pimp. ?




:O :laugh: :laugh:

So where were his b itches? ? :laugh:


I stand corrected.  :laugh:

JOYOFVGR

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Report this Nov. 10 2009, 4:48 pm

:O :whatthe: :laugh:

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Nov. 11 2009, 10:27 am

McCoy both old and new doesn't suck. ¿I think annoying characters always top my list, and sorry but I never found Kes to be annoying. ¿I think the real issue at hand here is that people can't separate Lien the actress from Kes the character, and while I didn't hate Kes as much as the rest of you one track minders do, I did not like Lien in anything else she was in.

Most annoying characters:

Hoshi [just because]
Barclay [come on Murdock]
7 [she was overplayed at times] Riker [overused at times after TNG, and not as tough as Roddenberry believed]
Crusher [season 1 mostly but Polaski should have stayed Trek fans should have got over her comments about Data and were wrong]
Ezri [a whiny shadow of the real Dax]
Christine Chapel [run for your
life if you have pointed ears]
Uhura [in the new movie: her and Spock wtf?  Her character was probably only made stronger because of who played her]

exodus201

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Report this Nov. 11 2009, 11:54 am

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Nov. 11 2009, 10:27 am)
McCoy both old and new doesn't suck. ?I think annoying characters always top my list, and sorry but I never found Kes to be annoying. ?I think the real issue at hand here is that people can't separate Lien the actress from Kes the character

I think you're grasping at straws by assuming.  ;)

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Report this Nov. 12 2009, 8:47 am

Quote (exodus201 @ Nov. 11 2009, 11:54 am)
Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Nov. 11 2009, 10:27 am)
McCoy both old and new doesn't suck. ?I think annoying characters always top my list, and sorry but I never found Kes to be annoying. ?I think the real issue at hand here is that people can't separate Lien the actress from Kes the character

I think you're grasping at straws by assuming. ¿;)

Its not an assumption at all.  Everytime there is an anti-Kes thread, the same exact things are said.  And eventually some calls Kes a fat pig [which is very rude but true I would use a better and more creative way of saying it] and then Mr. Doofus chimes in and says yeah she sucks now so she sucked then.

Point is I think it is absolutely ridiculous that people dislike Kes for no apparent reason, and I find it insulting that people get on peoples back if you disagree.  Look at all of these anti-Kes threads and you'll see this to be the case.

exodus201

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Report this Nov. 12 2009, 9:26 am

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Nov. 12 2009, 8:47 am)
Quote (exodus201 @ Nov. 11 2009, 11:54 am)
Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Nov. 11 2009, 10:27 am)
McCoy both old and new doesn't suck. ?I think annoying characters always top my list, and sorry but I never found Kes to be annoying. ?I think the real issue at hand here is that people can't separate Lien the actress from Kes the character

I think you're grasping at straws by assuming. ?;)

Its not an assumption at all. ¿Everytime there is an anti-Kes thread, the same exact things are said. ¿And eventually some calls Kes a fat pig [which is very rude but true I would use a better and more creative way of saying it] and then Mr. Doofus chimes in and says yeah she sucks now so she sucked then.

Point is I think it is absolutely ridiculous that people dislike Kes for no apparent reason, and I find it insulting that people get on peoples back if you disagree. ¿Look at all of these anti-Kes threads and you'll see this to be the case.

Seeing how this isn't an anti-Kes thread and you're the only one so far stirring up trouble, the only problem here would be you.

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Report this Nov. 13 2009, 12:41 pm

Quote (Yanks @ Nov. 09 2009, 6:04 am)
Quote (scnj @ Nov. 08 2009, 7:17 pm)
Pfft. This thread needs more cowbell Lynx.

There is one vote for Jen... :D

Actually, I'd vote Dawson and Torres. I think Kes had more potential, but it was unfulfilled, and how anyone can think Lien was a better actress than Dawson is beyond me.

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Report this Nov. 14 2009, 6:44 pm

I think these two characters are very difficult to compare. They are very different, and each actress had unique challenges to work with, because of the stories of each. I believe they both did great jobs in potraying their roles. I guess I prefer B'Elanna's character. I think she had a very intriguing story, that was revealed gradually over the series run. She was far more vulnerable than she appeared in the beginning of the series. Tom brought out her softer qualities. I loved that story arc. I don't think that Kes had time to live up to the potential of her character, because she left the show too soon. She had a lot of potential. Even though I liked Seven's character, and was glad she came to the series, I did always regret that Kes left. I loved her relationship with the Doc. She was very intuitive, and had a lot to do with his moving ahead as a developing "person".

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