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Narada

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Report this Nov. 07 2009, 6:11 pm

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Nov. 07 2009, 2:18 pm)
I did not feel JJ Abrams spat on me. Instead I felt he reverently gave us a Star Trek movie that paid homage to the old while giving us something fresh exciting and new.

This is also how I feel.

:cool:  :cool:  :logical:

Vger23

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Report this Nov. 08 2009, 11:21 am

Anyone who feels that they were PERSONALLY attacked or disrespected because of something the director of a movie says or the choices that he/she makes in the creative process has to re-check reality in my opinion. Anyone who allows those feelings to interfere with their enjoyment of a film is selling themselves short.

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Report this Nov. 08 2009, 11:56 am

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Yes what you describe is very true Vger23. What else is silly about what the "crusade mentality" has become? At some point it went in favor of Star Trek to being against Star Trek. This is the main reason it is silly to me.

Well, they (the "crusaders") don't look at it that way.

They feel like they are the ones who truly understand what Star Trek SHOULD be, the direction it should be going in, and what is "right" and "wrong" for the franchise.

They don't see it as a narrow-minded, selfish approach to the franchise. They think they are doing right. The problem I have with that is two-fold:

1. The sense of entitlement is misplaced. Star Trek is at its most influential (as is ANY form of art or entertainment) the more popular it is and the more people it reaches and affects. Thinking that a franchise "personally owes you" something is foolishness and selfish. What if other people get joy and entertainment out of something that you do not? This is why I didn't "crusade" against elements of the franchise that didn't meet my particular expectations or desires. I always thought, "oh well...that's my problem...but I'm not going to cry because there are other people that DO enjoy it, and Star Trek is strong because of it's diversity."

2. Anyone who thinks they know what is for the best and for the greater good is somewhat delusional. Trying to impose your will to make it happen is even more delusional and crosses the line, in my opinion.

Again, it's selfishness and closed minded fear that drives this kind of behavior. I always end up fighting against it, for better or worse.

I can relate with your reasoning and sometimes I see these same things. I understand that people desire for the best but often times their view of what is best does not always fit with what is possible and realistic. There are also many ways to explore the unknown!

Take this for consideration. Before the new Star Trek movie the franchise was not in good shape. The movies and shows were on a severe downward trend that was not increasing for a very long time. This does not mean Star Trek was bad but it was not receiving a proper response to survive. The franchise made changes and now they are once again in a position to explore new worlds.

After this great accomplishment there are still Star Trek fans who insist on a return to what was before. I can understand the motivation here but do they not remember the previous state of being? It was failing and most of the world did not look at Star Trek with good favor. Now this has changed and there is more hope for future Star Trek but some fans believe Star Trek is dead to them.

If fans are feeling this way I hope they will help to positively influence what they believe Star Trek should become or focus on the Star Trek they enjoy. If this is very much to ask then I hope they can just take a break from Star Trek. But to fight against Star Trek in hopes to see failure does not make sense to me. I made a comparison in the past to these fans being like right wingers who wish to see the country fail with Obama. I have nothing against those political views but to see a country fail should not be a goal for any true American. Even if this direction is not their 1st choice they should not hope for failure. This is counter intuitive to the goal and shows the selfishness you describe.

Well said. You hit the nail right on the head. More often than not, fans become angry and disgruntled when they don't get what they want. Rather than trying to be a positive influence for change, or "take a break" as you suggested, they instead take every opportunity to expose the negative side of things and try to drag down that which they do not approve of. It's really unhealthy in some respects.

Fortunately, I STRONGLY believe that most Star Trek fans are NOT like this. It is the vocal minority who behave this way, and sadly bring a lot of others down with them. For the most part, Star Trek fans are positive, smart, compassionate, and open-minded people. But, it is the few that give everyone a bad name becuase they are more vocal and "in-your-face" in their behavior.

Vger, how can we be open minded when that bubble head JJ Abrams spat on us and went against the rules, we're open to change, new ideas..But he didn't make a Star Trek movie he made A movie and the Loyalist won't accept that. ?:honorable:

You have a schizophrenic tendency to speak as if you are a group instead of an individual which I find rather comical. Even if you think you are a representative of some group called loyalists your posts seem to ignore the fact that the majority of Loyal Star Trek fans did enjoy this movie and many, myself included, went to multiple viewings of the movie.

I am afraid that this mythical group you call loyalists is either so small that it is ineffective or it exists only in your mind.

I did not feel JJ Abrams spat on me. Instead I felt he reverently gave us a Star Trek movie that paid homage to the old while giving us something fresh exciting and new.

Well you have to realize this "group" of Loyalists only exists in two places: His head(in the form of a multiple personality disorder) and In  his many dual acounts(I think he has one for each of his personalities).

;)  :logical:  :laugh:

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Report this Nov. 08 2009, 3:49 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Nov. 07 2009, 1:51 pm)
and the Loyalist won't accept that.

The same "loyalists" you encouraged to support the film after seeing it?

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Report this Nov. 10 2009, 4:19 am

Quote (Vger23 @ Nov. 08 2009, 11:21 am)
Anyone who feels that they were PERSONALLY attacked or disrespected because of something the director of a movie says or the choices that he/she makes in the creative process has to re-check reality in my opinion. Anyone who allows those feelings to interfere with their enjoyment of a film is selling themselves short.

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Report this Nov. 12 2009, 8:19 pm

Quote (drellan @ Nov. 04 2009, 12:46 pm)
What Star Trek is becoming is what happened to the Batman movies. They became increasingly comic book style and absurd. At least with Batman, when the did the reboot, they brought an element of realism to it.

Star Trek's reboot did the oppositte.

Poor scripting, poor directing, poor acting, poor sound track. The powers involved in making the movie believe that a fast paced action and visual effects are all that is important.

It's your opinion and you are in extreme minority.  Excellent scripting (character focused), excellent directing (except the desire for so much lens flares), excellent complimentary soundtrack.

The character development is excellent - fill-in nicely pre-TOS.  Fast action is keeping up with time.  Different pace then before, but even someone middle aged like me can adapt.  Humor is awesome and best / natural since TVH. Note how TVH was also a highly-attended film next to ST XI and TMP.

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Report this Nov. 12 2009, 8:26 pm

Quote (1701AtoE @ Nov. 12 2009, 8:19 pm)
Quote (drellan @ Nov. 04 2009, 12:46 pm)
What Star Trek is becoming is what happened to the Batman movies. They became increasingly comic book style and absurd. At least with Batman, when the did the reboot, they brought an element of realism to it.

Star Trek's reboot did the oppositte.

Poor scripting, poor directing, poor acting, poor sound track. The powers involved in making the movie believe that a fast paced action and visual effects are all that is important.

It's your opinion and you are in extreme minority. ¿Excellent scripting (character focused), excellent directing (except the desire for so much lens flares), excellent complimentary soundtrack.

The character development is excellent - fill-in nicely pre-TOS. ¿Fast action is keeping up with time. ¿Different pace then before, but even someone middle aged like me can adapt. ¿Humor is awesome and best / natural since TVH. Note how TVH was also a highly-attended film next to ST XI and TMP.

Yes I also feel this way. Good summary.

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Report this Nov. 13 2009, 5:06 pm

Quote (Narada @ Nov. 13 2009, 10:26 am)
Quote (1701AtoE @ Nov. 12 2009, 8:19 pm)
Quote (drellan @ Nov. 04 2009, 12:46 pm)
What Star Trek is becoming is what happened to the Batman movies. They became increasingly comic book style and absurd. At least with Batman, when the did the reboot, they brought an element of realism to it.

Star Trek's reboot did the oppositte.

Poor scripting, poor directing, poor acting, poor sound track. The powers involved in making the movie believe that a fast paced action and visual effects are all that is important.

It's your opinion and you are in extreme minority. ?Excellent scripting (character focused), excellent directing (except the desire for so much lens flares), excellent complimentary soundtrack.

The character development is excellent - fill-in nicely pre-TOS. ?Fast action is keeping up with time. ?Different pace then before, but even someone middle aged like me can adapt. ?Humor is awesome and best / natural since TVH. Note how TVH was also a highly-attended film next to ST XI and TMP.

Yes I also feel this way. Good summary.

Totally agree, excellent summary.

I really don't know how someone could say this was a badly directed and scripted movie. It wasn't perfect, but then little in life is perfect. Yes, it has it's faults but they are way out-numbered by the great stuff in this movie.

And the actors were all excellent.

Vger23

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Report this Nov. 13 2009, 5:54 pm

Quote (Mirrorgirl @ Nov. 13 2009, 5:06 pm)
Quote (Narada @ Nov. 13 2009, 10:26 am)
Quote (1701AtoE @ Nov. 12 2009, 8:19 pm)
Quote (drellan @ Nov. 04 2009, 12:46 pm)
What Star Trek is becoming is what happened to the Batman movies. They became increasingly comic book style and absurd. At least with Batman, when the did the reboot, they brought an element of realism to it.

Star Trek's reboot did the oppositte.

Poor scripting, poor directing, poor acting, poor sound track. The powers involved in making the movie believe that a fast paced action and visual effects are all that is important.

It's your opinion and you are in extreme minority. ?Excellent scripting (character focused), excellent directing (except the desire for so much lens flares), excellent complimentary soundtrack.

The character development is excellent - fill-in nicely pre-TOS. ?Fast action is keeping up with time. ?Different pace then before, but even someone middle aged like me can adapt. ?Humor is awesome and best / natural since TVH. Note how TVH was also a highly-attended film next to ST XI and TMP.

Yes I also feel this way. Good summary.

Totally agree, excellent summary.

I really don't know how someone could say this was a badly directed and scripted movie. It wasn't perfect, but then little in life is perfect. Yes, it has it's faults but they are way out-numbered by the great stuff in this movie.

And the actors were all excellent.

You know as well as I do MG that there are 4 or 5 people who will say ANYTHING to make themselves feel better about why they are the only ones who got their hearts broken by this movie.

It's tired and old listening to the same people say the same stuff over and over and over again. They're like robots with broken records playing inside or something.

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