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The great size debate rages on!!

SaturnsRings

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 10:18 am

Pictures from the the Art of the Film book demonstrate that the new Enterprise is much larger than the original.




Joker2Thief

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 10:33 am

*facepalm*

Why would they change this?  Nobody in the regular movie-going public gives 2 brain cells to the question of how big she is, so why would they mess with the size?  Just say "it's about the same size as the original" and move on.  But no.  Now we've got geek headaches around the world.

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 10:54 am

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Oct. 30 2009, 10:18 am)
Pictures from the the Art of the Film book demonstrate that the new Enterprise is much larger than the original.





What the f**k does it matter?

remember what James T Kirk said in "PLato's stepchildren"

"Size, shape, colour makes no difference"

Star Trek is not about how big the starship is, it's about the characters on board the ship and how their charcters develop and how far they can travel and how much they can explore


Besides remember that alien race in Voyager that could blow up an entire massive borg cube with a single firepower shot from a tiny tiny ship



Besides, "Star Trek" wasn't even a star trek movie, it was just a bunch of young idiots running and jumping about on a starship

It should have called "Powers Rangers on a starship"

SaturnsRings

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 11:10 am

Quote (Ali88 @ Oct. 30 2009, 10:54 am)
Besides, "Star Trek" wasn't even a star trek movie, it was just a bunch of young idiots running and jumping about on a starship

Maybe for you it wasn't a Star Trek movie but for me it certainly was and I enjoyed it immensely.

Ali88

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 11:17 am

how big is the Excelsior compared to the new enterprise


Wouldn't they be roughly the same size?

And wasn't the refit Enterprise in The Motion Picture slightly bigger than the original enterprise?

Praxius

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 11:22 am

Quote (Joker2Thief @ Oct. 30 2009, 6:33 am)
*facepalm*

Why would they change this? ?Nobody in the regular movie-going public gives 2 brain cells to the question of how big she is, so why would they mess with the size? ?Just say "it's about the same size as the original" and move on. ?But no. ?Now we've got geek headaches around the world.

Maybe they just decided to give the ship proper porportions required for the size of the crew.

We all know that in the 60's with the original series, knowledge, facts and being realistic on the small details didn't seem to be as big of a deal as it is now a days.

Afterall, if anybody watched "How William Shatner Changed the World" you'll have everybody flat out admitting that many didn't know much about physics or any of that stuff.... they made it all up..... which is pretty interesting in itself since much of what they merely "Made Up" eventually became reality.

Perhaps looking back at all the details and such, they figured they needed to bump it up in size for a bit more realism and the original ship was designed mainly for looks at the time, not logical functionality.

Either way, does it really matter? There won't be many situations where the old ship and the new ship will be right besides each other, and I certainly doubt it'd ever happen in any of the new movies..... what really matters is that it still has the overall look of the original ship and when you watch the movie, you don't actually know how big it really is.

And I've only watched the movie twice so far, but going from memory, wasn't there a shot zooming into the bridge at one time? I think proportionally the new design is more accurate.

Added:

To be honest, until I came into this thread and saw the comparison graphic, I didn't know there was a size difference to begin with...... thus I doubt many others except the hardcore would notice either.

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 11:47 am

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Oct. 30 2009, 10:18 am)
Pictures from the the Art of the Film book demonstrate that the new Enterprise is much larger than the original.





what is the art of film book and where did it get these demensions from?

SaturnsRings

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 1:17 pm

Quote (Cherry_On_Top @ Oct. 30 2009, 11:47 am)
Quote (SaturnsRings @ Oct. 30 2009, 10:18 am)
Pictures from the the Art of the Film book demonstrate that the new Enterprise is much larger than the original.





what is the art of film book and where did it get these demensions from?

The book The Art of the Film is due out the same day as the DVD for the new movie.

Art of the Film

as for where they got the dimensions I do not know.

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 3:02 pm

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Oct. 30 2009, 10:17 am)
Quote (Cherry_On_Top @ Oct. 30 2009, 11:47 am)
Quote (SaturnsRings @ Oct. 30 2009, 10:18 am)
Pictures from the the Art of the Film book demonstrate that the new Enterprise is much larger than the original.





what is the art of film book and where did it get these demensions from?

The book The Art of the Film is due out the same day as the DVD for the new movie.

Art of the Film

as for where they got the dimensions I do not know.

The dimensions come from ILM  after they upscalled the CGI model.

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 3:10 pm

I think it is fine to make it bigger. What are the main concerns for people who wish it was not resized? I feel it was very much a Star Trek movie. People can choose to not accept this movie but it is Star Trek.

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 3:22 pm

No way, it is that big. The Saucer windows would then be 2 to 3 meters high (same pattern as on the refit Enterprise).

Someone mentioned it here, and I think this is the most reasonable size: 366 meters. Slightly bigger than the TOS version, but yet smaller than an Excelsior. This sounds right.

Forget about everything else.

SaturnsRings

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 3:34 pm

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Oct. 30 2009, 3:02 pm)
Quote (SaturnsRings @ Oct. 30 2009, 10:17 am)
Quote (Cherry_On_Top @ Oct. 30 2009, 11:47 am)
Quote (SaturnsRings @ Oct. 30 2009, 10:18 am)
Pictures from the the Art of the Film book demonstrate that the new Enterprise is much larger than the original.





what is the art of film book and where did it get these demensions from?

The book The Art of the Film is due out the same day as the DVD for the new movie.

Art of the Film

as for where they got the dimensions I do not know.

The dimensions come from ILM ¿after they upscalled the CGI model.

Didn't people here figure it out that it was only 66 meters (give or take) larger than the original?

This makes the new Enterprise to be approximately 725 meters and larger than the Enterprise E which was 680 meters!

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 3:37 pm

I hated the movie and the Edselprise, but a larger ship is explainable. Starfleet saw the size of the Narada and got scared, so they started building bigger ships. The more massive ships need bigger engines, larger crews, etc. The military buildup provokes the Klingons; the war stains Starfleet's ranks, and will recruit/promote anyone who shows some talent. Starfleet becomes a paranoid military organization similar to starship troopers instead of exploring the galaxy. At that point, it stops being Star Trek IMO.

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 3:42 pm

Quote (MrMordenandAssociates @ Oct. 30 2009, 3:37 pm)
I hated the movie and the Edselprise, but a larger ship is explainable. Starfleet saw the size of the Narada and got scared, so they started building bigger ships. The more massive ships need bigger engines, larger crews, etc. The military buildup provokes the Klingons; the war stains Starfleet's ranks, and will recruit/promote anyone who shows some talent. Starfleet becomes a paranoid military organization similar to starship troopers instead of exploring the galaxy. At that point, it stops being Star Trek IMO.

I loved the movie and I agree with your line of thinking except for the conclusion that it ceased being Star Trek. I am okay if it was that way for you, but for me it felt very much like Star Trek.

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 5:17 pm

Quote (SaturnsRings @ Oct. 30 2009, 3:42 pm)
Quote (MrMordenandAssociates @ Oct. 30 2009, 3:37 pm)
I hated the movie and the Edselprise, but a larger ship is explainable. Starfleet saw the size of the Narada and got scared, so they started building bigger ships. The more massive ships need bigger engines, larger crews, etc. The military buildup provokes the Klingons; the war stains Starfleet's ranks, and will recruit/promote anyone who shows some talent. Starfleet becomes a paranoid military organization similar to starship troopers instead of exploring the galaxy. At that point, it stops being Star Trek IMO.

I loved the movie and I agree with your line of thinking except for the conclusion that it ceased being Star Trek. I am okay if it was that way for you, but for me it felt very much like Star Trek.

Yes same with me SaturnRings. I was very much with the comments of MrMorden until the last two sentences.

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