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Praxius

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 2:23 pm

Just looked up seven's details in the final episodes and although I didn't get an exact clarification, in an alternate future she was supposed to die.....

FanGuy

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 4:46 pm

Sacrificing one's self is the way to go. Spock would have qualified in II, but I think part of the definition of death is staying dead.

Data qualified in X, and it was quite successful. Not only did he die, but so did TNG. Later, in XI, the entire 24th Century, as we knew it, died, too.

I would like to put Shatner, Sisko, and Archer together as a time cop team, chasing an enemy that would change history. Alternate realities and timelines would be possible. This could be a mini-series. :idea: Otherwise, if a future movie series requires the assistance of Shatner or others, then it's really in trouble.

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Report this Nov. 11 2009, 5:50 pm

They were never really successful, because none of the major characters who died actually stayed dead! They all came back in some form, so it's a bit of a cheat, esp. with Spock.

I thought Tasha's death (the first one, in "Skin of Evil") was effective. She was a security officer, and she died suddenly on an away mission the way security officers are supposed to.

Jadzia's death didn't work for me, because I'd already given up on her more than a season ago. The character was already a zombie.

Kirk's death didn't work so well simply because we never got to see how his death affected his friends -- Spock, McCoy, etc. That's what would have made his death feel real. It doesn't matter to me HOW he died at all -- fell off a bridge, shot in the back, got pneumonia, whatever. Why does it make any difference? It's how someone lives that matters, not how they die.

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Report this Nov. 16 2009, 9:35 am

The best deaths were Tasha's and Jadzia's. The way the question was worded, I don't count Spock's death because he really didn't die.

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Report this Nov. 17 2009, 8:21 am

Quote (Pooneil @ Nov. 11 2009, 5:50 pm)
I thought Tasha's death (the first one, in "Skin of Evil") was effective. She was a security officer, and she died suddenly on an away mission the way security officers are supposed to.

"Supposed to" ??

Since when were security officers supposed to die on away missions? ok I kind of get what you're saying it just sounded a little weird. Like saying, truck drivers are supposed to crash and die. It happens on occasion and so is not unrealistic but I'm not sure that it's ever meant to happen.

Anyhow.

One thing that struck me as kind of strange:
There was an episode "In Theory" I think it was -- where bits of the ship get holes in them and peculiar stuff happens like Spot escapes from Data's quarters and so on. Until eventually one of Geordi's work crew (I think) gets killed.

And what it says in Picard's log is something along the lines of "this phenomenon has now resulted in the death of a crew member." Oh. Ok. So random redshirt deaths are probably the worst because -- what? -- Is this person so unimportant that they can be killed in the line of duty and Picard can't even be stuffed to include their name in his log?

Pooneil

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Report this Nov. 21 2009, 2:19 pm

Quote (OtakuJo @ Nov. 17 2009, 8:21 am)
Quote (Pooneil @ Nov. 11 2009, 5:50 pm)
I thought Tasha's death (the first one, in "Skin of Evil") was effective. She was a security officer, and she died suddenly on an away mission the way security officers are supposed to.

"Supposed to" ??

Since when were security officers supposed to die on away missions? ok I kind of get what you're saying it just sounded a little weird. Like saying, truck drivers are supposed to crash and die. It happens on occasion and so is not unrealistic but I'm not sure that it's ever meant to happen.

Anyhow.

One thing that struck me as kind of strange:
There was an episode "In Theory" I think it was -- where bits of the ship get holes in them and peculiar stuff happens like Spot escapes from Data's quarters and so on. Until eventually one of Geordi's work crew (I think) gets killed.

And what it says in Picard's log is something along the lines of "this phenomenon has now resulted in the death of a crew member." Oh. Ok. So random redshirt deaths are probably the worst because -- what? -- Is this person so unimportant that they can be killed in the line of duty and Picard can't even be stuffed to include their name in his log?

Security officers are "supposed to" die that way for two reasons:

1) Because redshirts had always been killed off unceremoniously and frequently on the classic show. It's a proud tradition of sudden death.

2) Because it's a security officer's job to sacrifice his or her life for the ship. They're supposed to get killed so the more important crew members don't. Even though Tasha got killed for no reason except Armus's amusement, but whatever...

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