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Who was the best not-a-villian Villian?

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 12:22 am

Quote (apothecary @ Nov. 02 2009, 6:59 am)
Dr Pulaski.

Hallelujah brother....

She was worried about going through the transporter, and if I were chief those worries would've been justified...  I'd a dropped her off at that cloud in Lonely Among Us and let those energy beings deal with her snide comments for a few millenia....  :D

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Report this Jan. 16 2010, 4:16 am

Quote (Pooneil @ Nov. 01 2009, 4:18 pm)
Admiral Nechayev. Her evilness was too big for just one show, and she went on to torment Commander Sisko several times as well.

:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Agreed.

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Report this Jan. 17 2010, 4:33 pm

Q. Who else??? I mean he was so evil acting he was sweet. He even gave Data the emotion of laughter for a short time. Very nice and is the only not-a-villian villian that i can think of.:)

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Report this Aug. 15 2010, 9:21 am

Q is as fine a choice for me as well, without really having taken the time to consider it. Ran into John D-TWICE!- in Vegas...Q shook my hand!....


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

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Report this Sep. 12 2010, 9:44 pm

Sorry about the previous post. I was thinking of the entire Star Trek universe, not just one show. The best non-villain to me would have to be the Admiral that came to take Lal in The Offspring.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 1:56 am

Q - like half the other people on this board.


I don't know if I'm imagining things, but on other disscussions everyone said exactly what JustHereForFun said. "I can't stand Q". They make it sound as though you were meant to like him. When the character was being developed and perfected, they probably tried to make him as annoying as possible. That WAS his character, Q was ANNOYING not only to us but to the crew of the enterprise. You guys make it sound like you were meant to like him or something. 

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 4:42 am

Gowron. He kept going from ally to bad guy and he was relatable.

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 7:34 am

Quote: Matthias Russell @ Sep. 14 2010, 4:42 am

Gowron. He kept going from ally to bad guy and he was relatable.


I agree and he had those crazy eyes...

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Report this Sep. 14 2010, 2:41 pm

iBorg13 mentioned that Q is by necessity unlikeable, but, for me, that has never been the case. He's to me such a colorful character, and funny....On TNG, of course, it was ''Oh, NO...what does he want now?''..but, at the core of things, Q cared about humanity, and wanted the best for it....I wrote a Voyager story in which Q takes Kathryn though some paces on a very powerful, and deeply emotional level, and I refer to it as ''Blunt-force therapy'', something I think fits Q to a T..nudge, nudge. He may not operate on a level we fel to be fair, much less kind, but, he has our betterment at heart..when he isn't getting a chortle out of making a starship capatain's life more 'interesting'....


''If I were captain, i'd open every crack in the universe, and peek inside, just like Captain Janeway does''-Kes, ''The Cloud''

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Report this Sep. 20 2010, 6:30 am

I have to say Q. Even though he's a major pain in the ass, it's hard to think of him as a villain. By interacting with humans he's just conducting sociological experiments.

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Report this Sep. 21 2010, 8:53 pm

Hands down, it's Q. When he's introduced in TNG initally, to me he strikes me as being a lot more... evil? Cynical? Malicious? Can't quite decide on the right word... but with every reappearance, Q seems less bad and more mischievous, impish, cheeky... hardly what I would call evil. Almost every episode he appears in I groan and say "Oh no, not Q... I can't stand Q." But I say it with a half-smile because while the guy drives me nuts because he's so... so... *insert a good word that covers it all*... another part of me knows that I absolutely love him, too.


One of my favorite episodes is--- oh, jeez, I just went blank on the name (I should've been in bed asleep hours ago [edit: 'Deja Q']--- that episode where Q becomes human, and Data acts as his "Professor of the Humanities". Absolutely one of the best Q episodes.


You gotta hate him, but you gotta love him too.


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Report this Sep. 22 2010, 8:09 am

And as some people also mentioned... Dr. Pulaski is a great candidate for not-a-villain-but-somewhat-a-Villain-of-the-year. Her treatment of Data was atrocious. Boo!


How about Commander Maddox from "The Measure of a Man"?


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Report this Sep. 22 2010, 8:30 am

Roboto is an unusual name for a girl ...
but I did like MEASURE of a MAN, alot.
Especially, how Riker was put in the position
he was in, having to test - maybe even hurt - his
friendship with Data. Commander Maddox's only flaw
was his false assurance that he was onto something.
Coupled with the fact that he was rather obsessive
about it, apparently. But he was an OK guy who was
just misguided - displayed by how he accepted DATA's
sentience, finally, without being compelled to do so,
outside of the presented evidence, at the trial. In
short, I do not believe Maddox could ever be considered
a "Not-A-Villian Villian". The judge was kinda hot, though ...

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Report this Sep. 22 2010, 9:21 am

Excellent deduction on my gender! Well, my good sir, seeing as how "Roboto" is not my actual name, and seeing as how I am a Data fan, it is fairly logical to have a username that relates to the character who holds my loyalties... just as it probably is with you, since 2takesfrakes would be an unusual name for either gender (I doubt you chose it based on your own biology?). :-)


True, I suppose Maddox was less villainous as he was overly-obsessed. The scene that aggravates me the most is when he barges into Data's personal quarters and starts handling his stuff. Grr. I suppose that Maddox was simply the antagonist of the story.... although anyone who would mistreat someone as likable and gentle as Data is considered a villain in my book!


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Report this Sep. 22 2010, 9:41 am

Yes, 2takesfrakes could apply to either gender,
I hadn't thought about that, actually. But it is
a reference - and homage - to Jonathan Frakes talent
as Director and Auteur of two of the finest STAR TREK
movies to ever make it to the screen! It's great to see
one of STAR TREK's own get the keys to the car and drive
in a way that's both exciting and gets the job done!

And, were I to have named myself after my "biology," I'd
probably have called myself "ANACONDA," or perhaps "KONG"!

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