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Identify the message in each trek movie

Narada

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Report this Oct. 26 2009, 1:14 pm

I like all the recent suggestions. I very much like the theme you describe for Nemesis about how not to judge because we cannot know what they went through. Sometimes maybe it is good to cut a person some slack! Well unless they are trying to destroy the Earth and Federation.

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ENT567

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Report this Oct. 27 2009, 8:56 am

Quote (Captain_Storma @ Posted: Oct. 26 2009, 12:47 pm)
TUC: Sowjets are your friends!

Who/what?

;) )

grigori

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Report this Oct. 30 2009, 11:38 pm

Jakemantrek, this is a very COOL idea for a thread. (I come lately.) From Trekwolf tongue-in-cheek all the way to Narada's philosophical broad view and SaturnsRings' very nice, straightforward summary--EACH one is absolutely bang-on and so true! :)

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Report this Oct. 31 2009, 10:11 am

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Oct. 21 2009, 9:03 pm)
Quote (Narada @ Oct. 20 2009, 2:48 am)
With The Motion Picture I believe it was to stretch our imagination. It was a good sci fi tale about us sending out a beacon to discover what is life and it returns to us asking this same question. This is an allegory for our own experience it is like we are sent out in space to find out this question but all we can do is return with more questions. Like V'ger we are wondering who made us and where do we come from. The ending is a rejoining of this separation like someday we may rejoin with God or a spiritual realm.

That's a great analysis of TMP Narada.

*sigh* I really don't know why more people don't love this film.

Because of the script, the pacing and the lack of humour Mrs S. Yes, it has an incredible theme, powerful performances and brilliant visual effects, but is lacked the certain lightness of being that characterized so much of TOS. And remember it was a TOS movie and one that we fans had waited breathlessly for almost 10 years. We wanted TOS, not another attempt at making 2001: A Space Odyssey...a whole different animal.

Yes I can appreciate much of TMP, but it just doesn't feel like Star Trek to me. Especially after Star Wars had blown us away with effects, adventure, conflict with lots of humour mixed in with the drama, TMP was a let down in comparison for me and many other trekkies.

Bill and Leonard couldn't stand it and Leonard was sure it had killed the franchise.

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Oct. 31 2009, 10:51 am

Quote (Mirrorgirl @ Oct. 31 2009, 7:11 am)
Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Oct. 21 2009, 9:03 pm)
Quote (Narada @ Oct. 20 2009, 2:48 am)
With The Motion Picture I believe it was to stretch our imagination. It was a good sci fi tale about us sending out a beacon to discover what is life and it returns to us asking this same question. This is an allegory for our own experience it is like we are sent out in space to find out this question but all we can do is return with more questions. Like V'ger we are wondering who made us and where do we come from. The ending is a rejoining of this separation like someday we may rejoin with God or a spiritual realm.

That's a great analysis of TMP Narada.

*sigh* I really don't know why more people don't love this film.

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Yes I can appreciate much of TMP, but it just doesn't feel like Star Trek to me. Especially after Star Wars had blown us away with effects, adventure, conflict with lots of humour mixed in with the drama, TMP was a let down in comparison for me and many other trekkies.


I dont see how it can not feel like Star Trek to any one.

How was it a let down? The special effects were the best produced to that point in time with the possible exception of some scenes in 2001 ASO. Star Trek wasn't a let down to most of the fans I know or knew at the time, most were disappoint by TWOK honestly.

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Bill and Leonard couldn't stand it and Leonard was sure it had killed the franchise.


Well that had more to due with working conditions and pay than anything else.

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Report this Oct. 31 2009, 11:09 am

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Nov. 01 2009, 12:51 am)
Quote (Mirrorgirl @ Oct. 31 2009, 7:11 am)
Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Oct. 21 2009, 9:03 pm)
Quote (Narada @ Oct. 20 2009, 2:48 am)
With The Motion Picture I believe it was to stretch our imagination. It was a good sci fi tale about us sending out a beacon to discover what is life and it returns to us asking this same question. This is an allegory for our own experience it is like we are sent out in space to find out this question but all we can do is return with more questions. Like V'ger we are wondering who made us and where do we come from. The ending is a rejoining of this separation like someday we may rejoin with God or a spiritual realm.

That's a great analysis of TMP Narada.

*sigh* I really don't know why more people don't love this film.

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Yes I can appreciate much of TMP, but it just doesn't feel like Star Trek to me. Especially after Star Wars had blown us away with effects, adventure, conflict with lots of humour mixed in with the drama, TMP was a let down in comparison for me and many other trekkies.


I dont see how it can not feel like Star Trek to any one.

How was it a let down? The special effects were the best produced to that point in time with the possible exception of some scenes in 2001 ASO. Star Trek wasn't a let down to most of the fans I know or knew at the time, most were disappoint by TWOK honestly.

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Bill and Leonard couldn't stand it and Leonard was sure it had killed the franchise.


Well that had more to due with working conditions and pay than anything else.

Because it took so bloody long to tell it's story. Special effects do not a movie make, unless it's a movie about special effects.

As raving a trekkie as I am, I don't think everything produced under the name Star Trek is brilliant and I don't think everything with the Star Trek name is Star Trek...not in my eyes anyway. I can't define everything that constitutes ST to me, but I know it when I see it and I feel it when I don't.

I'm not saying anyone else should or shouldn't enjoy any Star Trek product, but I am saying that TMP is not as enjoyable to me as any of the other TOS movies. I quite honestly would rather watch TFF than TMP.

In fact I watched TMP just th other day and got thoroughly bored with it, started to fast forward and found that I was skipping huge chunks. BTW the bits I did watch where the scenes with the most outstanding special effects. And those scenes did not entice me to watch the rest of it.

In one sentence, it lacked a compelling story and it lacked the pacing to make the most of the story it did have.

And finally for me the biggest problem was and remains that it lacks a powerful script.

Sorry that's just the way I feel about.

WkdYngMan

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Report this Oct. 31 2009, 11:52 am

The message in each Star Trek movie is.....



that copyright infringement is punishable by a $500,000 fine or 5 years in prison.

Vice_Adm_Baxter

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Report this Oct. 31 2009, 12:22 pm

> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Nov. 01 2009, 12:51 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Mirrorgirl @ Oct. 31 2009, 7:11 am)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Oct. 21 2009, 9:03 pm)> id="QUOTE"> border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Narada @ Oct. 20 2009, 2:48 am)> id="QUOTE">With The Motion Picture I believe it was to stretch our imagination. It was a good sci fi tale about us sending out a beacon to discover what is life and it returns to us asking this same question. This is an allegory for our own experience it is like we are sent out in space to find out this question but all we can do is return with more questions. Like V'ger we are wondering who made us and where do we come from. The ending is a rejoining of this separation like someday we may rejoin with God or a spiritual realm.
border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote (Mirrorgirl @ Oct. 31 2009, 8:09 am)

That's a great analysis of TMP Narada.

*sigh* I really don't know why more people don't love this film.

border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">Yes I can appreciate much of TMP, but it just doesn't feel like Star Trek to me. Especially after Star Wars had blown us away with effects, adventure, conflict with lots of humour mixed in with the drama, TMP was a let down in comparison for me and many other trekkies.

I dont see how it can not feel like Star Trek to any one.

How was it a let down? The special effects were the best produced to that point in time with the possible exception of some scenes in 2001 ASO. Star Trek wasn't a let down to most of the fans I know or knew at the time, most were disappoint by TWOK honestly.

border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">Because it took so bloody long to tell it's story. Special effects do not a movie make, unless it's a movie about special effects.

Yes the theatrical version was a little too long to me as well, thankfully the DC fixed that problem.  Special effect are to help tell the story, not be the story.


border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">I'm not saying anyone else should or shouldn't enjoy any Star Trek product, but I am saying that TMP is not as enjoyable to me as any of the other TOS movies. I quite honestly would rather watch TFF than TMP.

I understand and can relate to that very well, since I would rather watch TMP or TFF before watching TWOK(it's a good movie , just not good TREK IMO)


border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">In one sentence, it lacked a compelling story and it lacked the pacing to make the most of the story it did have.

I can see you point on this and pacing was the bigger problem, which was corrected in the DC.

border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">>>Quote > id="QUOTE">And finally for me the biggest problem was and remains that it lacks a powerful script.

Sorry that's just the way I feel about.

Nothing to be sorry about, it's how you feel and it's quite alright.

Mirrorgirl

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Report this Nov. 01 2009, 3:27 pm

Quote (WkdYngMan @ Nov. 01 2009, 1:52 am)
The message in each Star Trek movie is.....



that copyright infringement is punishable by a $500,000 fine or 5 years in prison.

Good call

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RomulusRemus

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Report this Nov. 01 2009, 3:36 pm

The message with Abrams' movie is:
"Canon? We don't need no stinkin' canon!!"

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