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Identify the message in each trek movie

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ST NEM- The most important characteristic mankind possesses is the ability to rise above the sum of our parts and strive to make ourselves better people (this was clearly spelled out)

Jakemantrek

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 8:34 pm

Most Star Trek episodes and movies have an underlying sociopolitical message. Star Trek loves to tackle sensitive issues. Here is my attempt to identify the message of each movie:



ST1 The Motion Picture: ??? Maybe something about love and new life? This was a strange movie IMO.

ST2 The Wrath of Khan: Revenge is bad. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

ST3 The Search for Spock: The needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many.

ST4 The Voyage Home: Hunting a species to extinction is bad. Human arrogance is bad.

ST5 The Final Frontier: God is our own manifestation.

ST6 The Undiscovered Country: Racism is bad. Don't be a hater. Have faith in the future and work together.

ST7 Generations: Don't be deceived by illusions of happiness. And don't put your own selfish interests above the wellbeing of others.

ST8 First Contact: Revenge is bad. Know when to quit. Don't be Captain Ahab.

ST9 Insurrection: Don't blindly follow orders that you know to be wrong. Be willing to stand up and fight for what you believe is right.

ST10 Nemesis: ??? I have no idea what the message was.

ST11 (self titled): ??? Maybe something about a call to duty and embracing your emotions. The message wasn't clear to me.



Maybe you guys can help to identify the message of ST1, ST10, and ST11.

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 8:48 pm

Here is my take on some themes!

With The Motion Picture I believe it was to stretch our imagination. It was a good sci fi tale about us sending out a beacon to discover what is life and it returns to us asking this same question. This is an allegory for our own experience it is like we are sent out in space to find out this question but all we can do is return with more questions. Like V'ger we are wondering who made us and where do we come from. The ending is a rejoining of this separation like someday we may rejoin with God or a spiritual realm.

Nemesis was about how our experience help form who we are and who we can become. This was shown with Picard and Shinzon. Nemesis was also about how our innate abilities help shape who we become through experience. This was shown with Data and B4. In the end I feel anyone can choose who they wish to become but sometimes our experience can have a positive or negative effect.

In the new movie it is also about how our experience can change who we are and how innate abilities help to shape who we become. Since we knew what happens in the prime reality now we can contrast with what happens in the new alternate reality. This also explores what is the meaning of destiny. They are showing that even in different realities sometimes people are meant for a certain path. This has to do with quantum probabilities and the universe mending itself. You may also look at this movie in other ways like duality in characters and relationships.

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 8:50 pm

1. Don't connect the wires on an old spacecraft by hand.

2. Don't enter a Dilithum containment area when it is having a reaction breakdown.

3 Never jump on a Klingon who has a knife in his hand.

4. Don't run on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

5 Never bring God a Starship just because he asks for one.

6. Never surrender to Klingon's who believe you just killed one of their representatives.

7. Never volunteer

8. Always make sure you don't leave Borg Drones in Earth's past.

9. Always hit on the hot alien women.


10. Always let the Android drive.

11. Always hit on the hot alien women.

Vger23

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 8:56 pm

I don't necessarily have a belief that Star Trek films have "messages" per se. They certainly all have THEMES. I'll take a stab at it, but consider what I write a combination of "theme" and "message":

ST:TMP-The theme is strong on the journey of self-discovery and evolution
ST2:TWOK-Loss, aging, and sacrifice are themes. The pitfalls of revenge are explored. The idea of genetic engeneering, on both the human level (Khan) and on the grand scale (Genesis Device)
ST3:TSFS- The bonds of family and friendship outweight all else.
ST4:TVH- All life is precious, and yesterday's actions may greatly affect tomorrow
ST5: TFF- Terrorism, fanaticism, and conquering universal fears is explored in the guise of Sybok's power and in the representation of the Great Barrier
ST6: TUC- Fear of the unknown can be the greatest enemy of mankind
ST GEN- Our mortality is what defines us and makes every moment of our lives precious
ST FC- Overcoming temptation, revenge
ST INS- Doing something for "the greater good" should not be at the expense of others
ST NEM- The most important characteristic mankind possesses is the ability to rise above the sum of our parts and strive to make ourselves better people (this was clearly spelled out)
ST 2009- Coming together despite great differences to achieve something good, diversity strengthens us to become more than the sum of our parts

Jakemantrek

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 8:58 pm

@Narada

I never thought about ST1 in that way. ¿I like your interpretation of it.

Your interpretations of ST10 and ST11 seem more like obvious truths than meaningful messages. ¿It seems obvious to me that our experiences affect us. ¿I was looking for something more meaningful.

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:01 pm

Quote (Jakemantrek @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:58 pm)
@Narada

I never thought about ST1 in that way. ?I like your interpretation of it.

Your interpretations of ST10 and ST11 seem more like obvious truths than meaningful messages. ?It seems obvious to me that our experiences affect us. ?I was looking for something more meaningful.

You're looking for something more meaningful?

Sometimes it just is what it is. Star Trek movies aren't always going to be 2001 or Blade Runner. Sometimes a Vulcan is just a Vulcan.

I think Narada made some excellent observations.

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:02 pm

Yes Vger23 you mention another important theme of the new Star Trek movie. It was very much about being a team and everyone having an important responsibility in the mission.

Thank you Jakemantrek. There are many smaller themes in the new Star Trek movie but I do not believe they wanted to bog it down by a very big message. They wanted it to have many good and optimistic themes and make this movie about a team working together. Some people say there is a theme and some people say there is not and I feel that is how it was meant to be.

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:04 pm

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ST NEM- The most important characteristic mankind possesses is the ability to rise above the sum of our parts and strive to make ourselves better people (this was clearly spelled out)


I like this.  Come to think of it, I remember a scene where Data was talking about how aspirations define the difference between him and B4.

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ST 2009- Coming together despite great differences to achieve something good, diversity strengthens us to become more than the sum of our parts


Hmm.  I don't know about that.  I didn't see any attention paid to diversity.  I didn't sense any such implications either.

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:06 pm

I like everything which is suggested so far. Nice thread!

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:07 pm

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I like everything which is suggested so far. Nice thread!

:cool: ¿:cool: ¿:cool:

Thanks

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:11 pm

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Sometimes it just is what it is. Star Trek movies aren't always going to be 2001 or Blade Runner. Sometimes a Vulcan is just a Vulcan.


True enough.  I generally expect more substance from Star Trek though.

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:12 pm

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I like this. ¿Come to think of it, I remember a scene where Data was talking about how aspirations define the difference between him and B4.

:cool:  :laugh:

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:13 pm

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1. Don't connect the wires on an old spacecraft by hand.

2. Don't enter a Dilithum containment area when it is having a reaction breakdown.

3 Never jump on a Klingon who has a knife in his hand.

4. Don't run on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

5 Never bring God a Starship just because he asks for one.

6. Never surrender to Klingon's who believe you just killed one of their representatives.

7. Never volunteer

8. Always make sure you don't leave Borg Drones in Earth's past.

9. Always hit on the hot alien women.


10. Always let the Android drive.

11. Always hit on the hot alien women.

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:14 pm

Quote (Trekwolf164 @ Oct. 20 2009, 5:50 am)
1. Don't connect the wires on an old spacecraft by hand.

2. Don't enter a Dilithum containment area when it is having a reaction breakdown.

3 Never jump on a Klingon who has a knife in his hand.

4. Don't run on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

5 Never bring God a Starship just because he asks for one.

6. Never surrender to Klingon's who believe you just killed one of their representatives.

7. Never volunteer

8. Always make sure you don't leave Borg Drones in Earth's past.

9. Always hit on the hot alien women.


10. Always let the Android drive.

11. Always hit on the hot alien women.

H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S!

3 & 4 belong in the instruction manual of life!

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Report this Oct. 20 2009, 9:15 pm

Quote (Jakemantrek @ Oct. 20 2009, 9:11 pm)
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Sometimes it just is what it is. Star Trek movies aren't always going to be 2001 or Blade Runner. Sometimes a Vulcan is just a Vulcan.


True enough. ¿I generally expect more substance from Star Trek though.

I think you will find that about 60% of Star Trek is simply about good stories and adventure.

Some of the BEST Treks have no inherent depth or message. For example, look at "Best of Both Worlds." There's no "message" there. Again, certainly there are "themes," but BoBW is CLASSIC Star Trek, but certainly not DEEP.

Same with TWOK. TWOK has lots of themes, but really very little to no message whatsoever. It was just a great story.

Don't confuse "deep message" with "good story containing interesting / dramatic themes."

Star Trek is rarely deep, but it IS often dramatic and entertaining.

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