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Is this racism, or just a retaliation?

teya1020

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 11:43 am

Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:50 pm)
I'm not even going to try to offer practical solutions. I cannot imagine we will get to a point without discrimination on Earth. Once racism is behind us, we can move on to religion, food choices and hairstyles. Human nature will sadly prevail.

I hate to break it to you, but read about the history of the Jews.

We already *do* discriminate on the basis of religion.

And there are conservatives who claim this is a Christian nation.

kludge77

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 12:07 pm

Quote (teya1020 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:43 pm)
Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:50 pm)
I'm not even going to try to offer practical solutions. I cannot imagine we will get to a point without discrimination on Earth. Once racism is behind us, we can move on to religion, food choices and hairstyles. Human nature will sadly prevail.

I hate to break it to you, but read about the history of the Jews.

We already *do* discriminate on the basis of religion.

And there are conservatives who claim this is a Christian nation.

Absolutely! 100% I know that. I was just saying, human nature is to point out and emphasize the differences between people. It's what we do.

I'm not here to argue that racism does or doesn't exist. I believe it does. I'm not here to argue if it's right or wrong. I know it's wrong. All I'm saying is that sometimes, the issue is raised with the purpose of inflaming people. I think that is a political tactic, and believe it's wrong too.

I think people should be judged on their merits, and I wouldn't make a choice for anything based on skin color or heritage. Either to the detriment of the individual or their benefit.

Cherry_On_Top

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 12:21 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:50 pm)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:38 pm)
Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:27 pm)
Overall we do care less about race then our parents and grandparents did, but some like Sharpton and Jackson seem like they would prefer racism to escalate.

Why is that?

That's a good question. I've only had once experience with them and it stands out. The company I used to work for employed minorities. Sometimes, the minories were sent specifically by the Rainbow Push Coalition. These people were far from qualified and if they weren't hired, Rainbow pushed sued, so the company would hire them. These people would go out of their way not to do the work and be insubordinate. If they were fired, the company would get sued, so they would not get fired.

Inevitably after a few months, these people would one day, pack up their desk on a Friday and not return to work on Monday and you would never hear from them again. Don't ask me why or how, I have no clue. But it happened more than once and the pattern was always the same. I have no idea what that was all about, but the company new the game and always had a position ready for these people.

The sad thing is that we had a lot of great people working in professional positions in every department who happened to be minorities and were very, very smart. I really don't understand what that was all about. Why would Rainbow push send such terrible people? Why be affiliated with people like that? It only made for a bad reputation on their part and was totally unnecessary.

...too make them learn a trade maybe?


The Rainbow Coalition was trying to get a bunch of welfare abusers back into the work place to earn a decent wage, so it wouldn't have to be a burden on your pockets anymore.

It was the failure of your former company not to think of away in advance ti train and intergrate them into the work place. ¿It's not like these types of arrangements are made on a days or even a weeks ¿notice.

:laugh:  it should not be the burden of a private company to retrain welfare workers or be sued.

exodus201

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 2:23 pm

Quote (Cherry_On_Top @ Oct. 21 2009, 12:21 pm)
Quote (exodus201 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:50 pm)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:38 pm)
Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:27 pm)
Overall we do care less about race then our parents and grandparents did, but some like Sharpton and Jackson seem like they would prefer racism to escalate.

Why is that?

That's a good question. I've only had once experience with them and it stands out. The company I used to work for employed minorities. Sometimes, the minories were sent specifically by the Rainbow Push Coalition. These people were far from qualified and if they weren't hired, Rainbow pushed sued, so the company would hire them. These people would go out of their way not to do the work and be insubordinate. If they were fired, the company would get sued, so they would not get fired.

Inevitably after a few months, these people would one day, pack up their desk on a Friday and not return to work on Monday and you would never hear from them again. Don't ask me why or how, I have no clue. But it happened more than once and the pattern was always the same. I have no idea what that was all about, but the company new the game and always had a position ready for these people.

The sad thing is that we had a lot of great people working in professional positions in every department who happened to be minorities and were very, very smart. I really don't understand what that was all about. Why would Rainbow push send such terrible people? Why be affiliated with people like that? It only made for a bad reputation on their part and was totally unnecessary.

...too make them learn a trade maybe?


The Rainbow Coalition was trying to get a bunch of welfare abusers back into the work place to earn a decent wage, so it wouldn't have to be a burden on your pockets anymore.

It was the failure of your former company not to think of away in advance ti train and intergrate them into the work place. ?It's not like these types of arrangements are made on a days or even a weeks ?notice.

:laugh: ¿it should not be the burden of a private company to retrain welfare workers or be sued.

The point was, they tried to find some type of solution to a problem instead of sitting around complaining about these folks using up tax payer dollars which is a bigger burden.

chr3335

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 3:38 pm

Quote (teya1020 @ Oct. 20 2009, 12:39 pm)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:24 pm)
Edit to add: But to the point, I doubt you got into UCLA under affirmative action, although I could be wrong. Either way, I'm sure you were qualified to be there to begin with. That article speaks about people who go there because of affirmative action, but really don't have what it takes to succeed there. They are being set up to fail. I think that article does have a good point.

I got into any college I attended on merit. Being biracial has an advantage--you can check the box for either. On college aps, I check "white" because the scholarships and other programs are for people who don't have the economic advantages I did.

Although it's interesting to see that a couple of people appear to have assumed just the opposite...

Who assumed what?  All I said is I find affirmative action racist.

JOYOFVGR

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 3:52 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ Oct. 21 2009, 2:23 pm)
Quote (Cherry_On_Top @ Oct. 21 2009, 12:21 pm)
Quote (exodus201 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:50 pm)
Quote (JOYOFVGR @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:38 pm)
Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 20 2009, 8:27 pm)
Overall we do care less about race then our parents and grandparents did, but some like Sharpton and Jackson seem like they would prefer racism to escalate.

Why is that?

That's a good question. I've only had once experience with them and it stands out. The company I used to work for employed minorities. Sometimes, the minories were sent specifically by the Rainbow Push Coalition. These people were far from qualified and if they weren't hired, Rainbow pushed sued, so the company would hire them. These people would go out of their way not to do the work and be insubordinate. If they were fired, the company would get sued, so they would not get fired.

Inevitably after a few months, these people would one day, pack up their desk on a Friday and not return to work on Monday and you would never hear from them again. Don't ask me why or how, I have no clue. But it happened more than once and the pattern was always the same. I have no idea what that was all about, but the company new the game and always had a position ready for these people.

The sad thing is that we had a lot of great people working in professional positions in every department who happened to be minorities and were very, very smart. I really don't understand what that was all about. Why would Rainbow push send such terrible people? Why be affiliated with people like that? It only made for a bad reputation on their part and was totally unnecessary.

...too make them learn a trade maybe?


The Rainbow Coalition was trying to get a bunch of welfare abusers back into the work place to earn a decent wage, so it wouldn't have to be a burden on your pockets anymore.

It was the failure of your former company not to think of away in advance ti train and intergrate them into the work place. ?It's not like these types of arrangements are made on a days or even a weeks ?notice.

:laugh: ?it should not be the burden of a private company to retrain welfare workers or be sued.

The point was, they tried to find some type of solution to a problem instead of sitting around complaining about these folks using up tax payer dollars which is a bigger burden.

And honestly, Rainbow Push aside, I think it would be a great idea if private companies would undertake such a program. They give donations by the millions to various charities, why not allocate some of that money to hiring and training welfare recipients? Also, there are welfare recipients in every race, so it's not even like it would be based on race, just circumstances.

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