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Television series Picard verses movie Picard..

DammitJim6200

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Report this Oct. 10 2009, 12:29 am

Look, we know Captain Jean luc Picard was the best captain in Star fleet history, but in the television series he was more of a thinker than a fighter, a negotiator who let Commander Riker, do all the physical duties..
in the movies we saw Picard as a an of  action beaming down and fighting for the lives of his crew,
which Picard do you prefer ?

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Report this Oct. 10 2009, 12:44 am

While Picard was great in Insurrection - loved the Ready Room scene between him and Dougherty - have to go with TV where Star Trek is at its best. Picard was a contrast to Kirk, which is what made it work. 'Darmok' was a brilliant episode as was 'All Good Things' & 'The Inner Light'. I'll thrown in 'The Drumhead' too - we got a great Picard speach out of that one.

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Report this Oct. 10 2009, 1:07 pm

Captain Picard in the T V series

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Report this Oct. 11 2009, 1:28 am

Captain Picard in the TV series. :)

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Report this Oct. 12 2009, 12:40 am

sorry kirk was the best captain in star fleet history.

but i prefered the picard on tv, the movie picard just seemd odd and kind of a cheap copy of kirk

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Report this Oct. 12 2009, 7:55 pm

While I love both, I'll have to go with the Picard on TV.

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Report this Oct. 13 2009, 9:28 am

TV picard, character was better defined through the season.  You knew him and his style.

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Report this Oct. 17 2009, 1:27 pm

TV series Picard

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Report this Oct. 18 2009, 7:10 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Oct. 10 2009, 12:29 am)
Look, we know Captain Jean luc Picard was the best captain in Star fleet history...

No, we don't know that...

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Report this Oct. 18 2009, 7:22 pm

Quote (lion_tone @ Oct. 18 2009, 7:10 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Oct. 10 2009, 12:29 am)
Look, we know Captain Jean luc Picard was the best captain in Star fleet history...

No, we don't know that...

Indeed...

DammitJim6200

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 1:12 pm

Quote (lion_tone @ Oct. 17 2009, 8:10 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Oct. 10 2009, 12:29 am)
Look, we know Captain Jean luc Picard was the best captain in Star fleet history...

No, we don't know that...

Yes we do...Look everyone Knows TNG re-energize the franchise more than anything..Captain Picard was voted BEST Captain over Kirk in a US magazine poll a while back..
Picard is what people look at when they want to see how a real Captain performs,

Not a Captain (not saying any names) who beams down on planet after planet taking foolish risks and banging alien sluts while his ship is in trouble and being fired on.

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 2:44 pm

Quote (lion_tone @ Oct. 18 2009, 7:10 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Oct. 10 2009, 12:29 am)
Look, we know Captain Jean luc Picard was the best captain in Star fleet history...

No, we don't know that...

You're right, we don't.  

I believe Kirk is the best captain in SF history.  He made more first contacts than any captain ever.  His Enterprise was on a mission of exploring unknown space, while Picard's ship (named after Kirk's) was on a mission of diplomacy, support, scientific investigation, etc.  (although they still claimed to be explorers).  

And, Kirk was the guy who ended up dying for Picard, the Veridian system, and the crew of the "D."  As a thankyou,  Picard left him lying under a pile of rocks instead of giving him a proper funeral (I blame Berman, not Picard for that).  

But that's besides the point of this thread.  Despite slightly favoring Kirk over Picard, Picard is my favorite character of the ST spin-offs.  Patrick Stewart and the writers really created a very good character, one that I thought largely carried the show (with help from Brent Spiner's Data and the breakout character, Michael Dorn's Worf).  I really liked the fact that Picard was a very different captain from Kirk.  GR did not want to create a copy of what he'd done before with the original series characters and I think that was a good call.  Even though TNG was a spin-off, it was important for it to create it's own identity and I think the characters and the writing style were a large part of that.  WRT characters, Picard, as the captain was obviously the most important, and, in that regard, they really lucked out casting a consummate actor like Patrick Stewart.  IMO, Stewart was the best actor of the franchise's history (although Nimoy was great too, according to Stewart himself).  

Maybe the only real thing I liked about GEN was Kirk and Picard teaming up.  I really liked the chemistry between the two and I think it was derived from shared similarities as well as big differences.  It's a real shame that Berman, Moore, and Braga, and Paramount couldn't have given the fans a better story that could have given us more of that featured element (as well as a better ending for Kirk, of course).  It was a squandered opportunity, maybe the biggest waste in the franchise's history, that I still find it hard to believe that a writer of Moore's caliber could've been a part of.  

WRT which Picard I prefer, I'm going with the TV one, the cerebral, principled, diplomatic captain over the action hero.  Now, I understand why they morphed the character into more of an action hero for the films.  The films were about bigger action and Picard was the most important of the characters so it was kind of a no-brainer.  The TNG formula had to change a bit for the films.  It was a more dramatic change than that for the original series films.  The TOS films were a lot like the series episodes in terms of action and the focus on the big three, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.  The TNG series, on the other hand, featured more of an ensemble, although some characters were clearly more important and got more time.  Also, TNG had a bit less action.  It was a more cerebral show.  So, to sum it up, I think they deliberately changed the formula into more of a "TOS" one for TNG's films and part of that was making Picard more like Kirk.  No longer would Picard stay on the ship while Riker and Worf were on the away team for INS and NEM.  I understand why they had or thought they had, to do that, but I gotta say, it came off pretty forced imo in INS and NEM.  I was ok with FC due to Picard's hatred of the Borg and the fact that he was captain of the ship, but in the case of the other two films, it felt really forced given TNG's history and style.

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 2:47 pm

Quote (lostshaker @ Oct. 10 2009, 12:44 am)
While Picard was great in Insurrection - loved the Ready Room scene between him and Dougherty - have to go with TV where Star Trek is at its best. Picard was a contrast to Kirk, which is what made it work. 'Darmok' was a brilliant episode as was 'All Good Things' & 'The Inner Light'. I'll thrown in 'The Drumhead' too - we got a great Picard speach out of that one.

Yes I agree and those episodes are brilliant. The Drumhead is my all time favourite. I also liked him in First Contact though. I'm partial to the Moby Dick references.

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 2:57 pm

Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Oct. 21 2009, 1:12 pm)
Quote (lion_tone @ Oct. 17 2009, 8:10 pm)
Quote (DammitJim6200 @ Oct. 10 2009, 12:29 am)
Look, we know Captain Jean luc Picard was the best captain in Star fleet history...

No, we don't know that...

Yes we do...Look everyone Knows TNG re-energize the franchise more than anything..

It did?  Then why the success of TWOK, TSFS, and TVH lead directly to the decision to do TNG?  When did TNG "re-energize" the franchise?  That would imply that it was dying before TNG came on the scene.  

TNG definitely didn't "re-energize" the franchise with INS and NEM, which was what was desperately needed, did it?  

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Picard is what people look at when they want to see how a real Captain performs,


They do?  Which people would that be?  

Actually, Rick Berman commented that people in the military thought Avery Brooks' Sisko was the most "real" of the captains.

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Not a Captain (not saying any names) who beams down on planet after planet taking foolish risks and banging alien sluts while his ship is in trouble and being fired on.


Are you talking about Picard in INS where he was running around with Anij (or whatever he name was) while the Enterprise E was being chased and fired on by the Sona ships?  Or what about NEM with the whole silly dune buggy sequence where Picard put his life at risk for some thrills (and unnecessarily broke the Prime Directive as well)?  

And as far as beaming down "while his ship is in trouble and being fired on" what was Picard thinking having himself beamed off the Enterprise in GEN while the Enterprise D was destroyed by the Duras sisters in their antique Bird of Prey?  That never happened to Kirk.  He scuttled the Enterprise himself.

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Report this Oct. 21 2009, 3:33 pm

I preferred TV Picard over movie Picard. That being said he still was pretty much the same character as he still made similar speeches, etc. Of course he took a larger role in the action but that was because he was the leading man in an action/sci fi movie. If he hadn't it would make him look a weak captain. And there were plenty of times in the series when Picard went on away missions over Riker's objections and against protocol. So, there was precedent for his actions in the movies. But, TV Picard felt more "real" to me because he was the first one I saw while sometimes movie Picard acted a little differently.

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