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What were your very FIRST thoughts on ENT?

grigori

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:11 pm

I made a lateral drift into another topic on the canon thread. If it's been done before--well, I wasn't here, so no apologies! I'm bestowing upon us a new thread. (Aimed at those of us who watched it THEN, as opposed to our feelings NOW.)

I paid no attention to what other Trek fans were up to during the first-run of ENT, so I can clearly recall mine...

What WERE your very first, honest reactions to ENT? expectations or not? WTH moments? YEH moments?

And NO NASTY RETORTS just because you don't like someone's honest, gut-level reaction. Many of us are quite fond of ENT NOW, but...

( Well, I think that defending any work of art's every last facet and foible is next-door to craziness! )

So here goes. I'm sure these aren't my ONLY thoughts...

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I think the Xindi arc is much more palatable being revisited these years later, for whatever reason--for me, and probably for others. Maybe because "expectations" aren't as pressing or severe as back then: we know the show's a "done deal" and isn't going to change, we just want our Trek fix.

(Said this before) the third season is where I began to grow irritated the first time through, mainly at UPN for jerking me around and making it near-impossible to follow a season-long arc with all their scheduling offenses, but the sensation got transferred to the show.

Anyway, I could understand fans' shock at that Klingon jumping out of the cornfield, but as for his appearance...It could have gone one of two ways, and I remembered Worf's (un)statement in Trials/Tribble-lations, and it could easily have supported either way, just as Serit pointed out.

But I wasn't equipped to dissect minute canon transgressions; mainly what I recall is how IMPRESSED I was with the general look and feel of the ship and the crew attitude and that whole era. The single most exciting prospect for me in ENT was that they CHOSE that era, and they didn't disappoint my expectations.

We've been over this: we loved a ship without carpet and counselors, with crude, open stairs and catwalks and ready rooms where you bump your head, the all-business submarine feel. And the language was grittier and more down-to-earth, PC didn't dictate every little thing, AND we were perpetually IRKED with those Vulcans! We hadn't yet achieved "equal standing."

We (Humans) hadn't yet proven ourselves, hadn't yet developed a Prime directive, or any others for that matter, and were pretty dam* naive. But we saw dreamers and explorers and optimism and things that were good about humanity at the same time.

And we weren't perfect! Someone had to make those first mistakes as well as achieve those first great triumphs (getting Vulcans and Andorians and Tellarites to sit down together and formally UNITE?) Sometimes the mistakes and cultural faux pas were humorous and sometimes they were absolutely disastrous. But all of that was plausible and to be expected for the time period.

Phase pistols/phasers/phase canons--I admit to not taking much notice, except I did like the sound of phase pistols and the novelty of a "stun" setting.

Didn't like the Transporter so early on (WTH); I know others didn't care as much. I thought it provided plot cop-outs.

I LOVED Gary Graham as Soval and, of course, the fact that Bak was back onscreen. I was quite pleasantly surprised that women were finally being given their share of eye candy. (Bakula without a shirt: YEH moment, and a little difficult to pay attention to anything else.)

But it was that "look and feel" in general that sold me on it right in the beginning, so I was more forgiving of other things (like using the Transporter on a human in the very first episode).

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:28 pm

First impression was favorable.  I loved the way the ship looked, and when I saw the uniforms I thought they were the first realistic uniforms ever seen in ST.

As for the characters, Archer was ok in the first episode but he really did not shine for me until later.

Trip I liked from the start, and I kept that opinion throughout the series.  He from my perspective came across as the everyman type character from the beginning and I liked that type of character being shown in ST.

TPol at first I found a bit annoying, she at first came across as your standard Vulcan, I never really was a huge fan of how they showed non main character Vulcans.  I understand how they are made up, but emotionless characters are not my cup of tea, Spock and Tuvok both showed emotions and that made them more interesting, at first TPol came across that way.  But once she started getting in arguments with Archer and Trip I thought, now she is getting interesting.

Mayweather was really not memorable and unfortunately never changed.

Malcom really did not do much at first for me, but I changed my mind after the episode Shuttle pod one.  Then he becomes a lot more enjoyable as a character.

Hoshi was a bit too timid at first, although telling the Klingon to shut up and TPol to go to hell in Vulcan was a plus.  She became better as the series went along and I think looking back it was better that she actually grew into the part.

Phlox I liked from the start, I liked that he had to work his butt off to keep the crew healthy and he was close enough to human most times to be likable but had enough differences to be interesting as a character.

I had no problem with them having Phase Pistols, it was pretty clear from the start that they were not as advanced as we see in TOS and beyond.

I liked the fact that they were not perfect and never made mistakes, perfect is really unbelievable and worse boring.  The fact that they messed up so much at first is something I think made the storylines more fun to watch.  They were the first humans out into deep space and it was to be expected that they would step in it once in a while.

On the whole I liked Enterprise from the start.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:34 pm

"Submarine feel"?  Sorry, I've served on a sub...it didn't feel like that.

Enterpise had potential, but it started bad.  If you read "The Making of Star Trek", Gene R. envisioned Earth as the premiere space-fairing race, not these ridiculous johnny-come-latelys.

The design of the Enterprise itself was unoriginal and boring.

The Vulcans were cliche and unimaginative.

Gee...after so many years of animosity, all it took to make peace between the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites was Archer making friends with one or two of them?  How dull!

How the universe of Enterprise would fair in a war with the Romulans is way beyond the realm of believability.

Sorry...I was rooting for the show, but it lost me after only about 30 minutes.  I kept checking back now and then for signs of progress, but it was just no good.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:34 pm

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What WERE your very first, honest reactions to ENT? expectations or not? WTH moments? YEH moments?


Honest?

Expectations? I was pretty sure I was going to hate it. (totally biased opinion) I was so pissed off that they abandoned the TNG era that I was ready to turn in my phaser and communicator and join up the Star Wars junkies without even tuning into the first episode.

WTF Moment? I still watched the first episode and a handful of others. The Vulcans playing the role of "The Man" holding us back made me quite unhappy. When I saw ST:FC that wasn't at all what I pictured. I think it was the decompression chamber really put me over the top.

YEH Moments? I thought it looked great.  I loved the story in spite of my misgivings, The bleeding edge tech, like the universal translator and missles were awesome.

T'Pol and the Vulcans in general were enough to have me turn off the show.

grigori

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:39 pm

Quote (fjbalist @ Oct. 08 2009, 8:34 pm)
If you read "The Making of Star Trek", Gene R. envisioned Earth as the premiere space-fairing race, not these ridiculous johnny-come-latelys.

First Contact sort of set up the ENT atmosphere.

Tx for your honesty, fjbalist! I'm hoping it encourages others to be honest...

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:41 pm

Honestly, my thoughts were good when I saw Broken Bow. I thought they had really tried to think through the narrative problems that had plagued both TNG and Voyager, especially. I was fine with the sequel and I loved the look of the ship. I didn't check message boards back then so I had no idea that some fans hated the show - I watched it happily the whole first season thinking "This is really good for a first season of Trek".

But I am a glass half full person.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:44 pm

Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 08 2009, 8:34 pm)
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What WERE your very first, honest reactions to ENT? expectations or not? WTH moments? YEH moments?


Honest?

Expectations? I was pretty sure I was going to hate it. (totally biased opinion) I was so pissed off that they abandoned the TNG era that I was ready to turn in my phaser and communicator and join up the Star Wars junkies without even tuning into the first episode.

WTF Moment? I still watched the first episode and a handful of others. The Vulcans playing the role of "The Man" holding us back made me quite unhappy. When I saw ST:FC that wasn't at all what I pictured. I think it was the decompression chamber really put me over the top.

YEH Moments? I thought it looked great. ¿I loved the story in spite of my misgivings, The bleeding edge tech, like the universal translator and missles were awesome.

T'Pol and the Vulcans in general were enough to have me turn off the show.

Honest enough answer Kludge, I was just the opposite myself.  

I never liked the TNG way they showed ST, I did not like that
the characters were so perfect and never seemed to make mistakes.  Plus I really disliked the fact that they had kids on board, a counselor on the bridge and everything was so PC.  The storylines came across as bit too preachy for my taste also.

TOS while at times having messages never took itself so seriously as TNG did.  I still watch my TOS DVDs and find them a lot of fun, I really have no interest in watching TNG again.

I also thought the way the ships were built was a stark contrast, TNG looked like a luxury liner while the NX-01 for me looked a lot more rough and ready.

Not attacking your view point bud, just explaining why I disagree.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:49 pm

Quote (Dbear1 @ Oct. 08 2009, 5:44 am)
Quote (kludge77 @ Oct. 08 2009, 8:34 pm)
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What WERE your very first, honest reactions to ENT? expectations or not? WTH moments? YEH moments?


Honest?

Expectations? I was pretty sure I was going to hate it. (totally biased opinion) I was so pissed off that they abandoned the TNG era that I was ready to turn in my phaser and communicator and join up the Star Wars junkies without even tuning into the first episode.

WTF Moment? I still watched the first episode and a handful of others. The Vulcans playing the role of "The Man" holding us back made me quite unhappy. When I saw ST:FC that wasn't at all what I pictured. I think it was the decompression chamber really put me over the top.

YEH Moments? I thought it looked great. ?I loved the story in spite of my misgivings, The bleeding edge tech, like the universal translator and missles were awesome.

T'Pol and the Vulcans in general were enough to have me turn off the show.

Honest enough answer Kludge, I was just the opposite myself. ¿

I never liked the TNG way they showed ST, I did not like that
the characters were so perfect and never seemed to make mistakes. ¿Plus I really disliked the fact that they had kids on board, a counselor on the bridge and everything was so PC. ¿The storylines came across as bit too preachy for my taste also.

TOS while at times having messages never took itself so seriously as TNG did. ¿I still watch my TOS DVDs and find them a lot of fun, I really have no interest in watching TNG again.

I also thought the way the ships were built was a stark contrast, TNG looked like a luxury liner while the NX-01 for me looked a lot more rough and ready.

Not attacking your view point bud, just explaining why I disagree.

Fairs fair. We all get our opinions.

In all honestly there is a part of me that is glad I get new Star Trek now. It's kinda of exciting knowing that there are 3 seasons ahead of me that I've NEVER seen.

In addition the wife and I are watching the Stagage shows together, so it's a win win.

Dbear1

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 8:52 pm

A lot of us think season 3 and 4 is where it really gets good, hopefully you find it fun to watch.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 9:06 pm

I'm not sure I'll ever be as "fanatical" about ENT as VOY, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to be unhappy when Season 4 is done with.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 9:14 pm

My initial thoughts about the show was I didn't complain about the tech. I started becoming a strict canonist later on with the TCW stuff and that tech being in Enterprise I wondered where this show was going? It's starting to look too advanced. I didn't really complain about the Klingon in their because I forgot about what some fans did about Klingon contact was in TOS' time frame. I have since lightened up about the tech and time travel. I forgot that I like time travel in trek. Also I should have remembered TOS was shot in the 60's and I would not want Enterprise's SFX not to look like TOS' SFX. The new movie has changed my mind about Enterprise and I have lightened up about being a strict canonist even with the Enterprise tech.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 9:17 pm

A little humor and honesty...

I admit that the first two season of Enterprise was not what I expected. I was used to the advance technology, shields, tractor beams, advance phasers, etc. I loved the design of the ship, but the crew and the plot had to grow on me. I am a action junkie, not a philosopher (no offense to those who are). I do enjoy strategy, and plenty of butt kicking, so it took later seasons to win me over. I loved Kirk as Captain, plenty of butt kicking and girl chasing. I did not like Picard too much at first (too much command style that was by committee). I loved Sisko (he had the right balance of butt kicking and diplomacy). I was okay with Janeway but I wish she had more butt kicking skills. That leaves Archer. My feelings were he had the diplomacy but not the right tech and not enough butt kicking. He had the right attitude, but he had to grow on me.

Hoshi was intelligent and hot, but seem to be too afraid at times.

I was not happy that they did not involved Travis enough in the series.

I liked Dr. Phlox, he was a good doctor.

*Puts on running shoes and prepares to run from Yanks...*

I was not crazy about T'Pol at first. She was hot, but she had to develop as the T'Pol as we know. After the pon farr thing and the Vulcan neuropressure sessions, I should got to her before Trip and Yanks got to her first... :p

*Starts Booking (jet, running at top speed) from Yanks*

*Looks out for Serit*

I has not crazy about Reed either, but grew to respect him as tactical officer. He did not seem to work well with Captain Archer and did not seem to be a play well with other kind of guy.

*Veers away from whyaduck and grigori while still bookin...*

Trip was okay as chief engineer in the first season, but it seems like he was going to get around to it a little too often. Trip proved to be a great engineer, but Scotty is better...

*Gone to warp now with whyaduck and grigori in hot pursuit followed by Serit and Yanks, muhahahah!*

By the time season two ended, I was a regular viewer. Season three was good, and season four had me hooked. I wanted season five, but you know the rest.

*Looks back to see what happens to everyone only to find that they lock on a tractor beam to me. I guess this is it...or is it? muhahahah!!!*

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 9:24 pm

Quote (BrotherofShran01 @ Oct. 08 2009, 9:17 pm)
A little humor and honesty...

I admit that the first two season of Enterprise was not what I expected. I was used to the advance technology, shields, tractor beams, advance phasers, etc. I loved the design of the ship, but the crew and the plot had to grow on me. I am a action junkie, not a philosopher (no offense to those who are). I do enjoy strategy, and plenty of butt kicking, so it took later seasons to win me over. I loved Kirk as Captain, plenty of butt kicking and girl chasing. I did not like Picard too much at first (too much command style that was by committee). I loved Sisko (he had the right balance of butt kicking and diplomacy). I was okay with Janeway but I wish she had more butt kicking skills. That leaves Archer. My feelings were he had the diplomacy but not the right tech and not enough butt kicking. He had the right attitude, but he had to grow on me.

Hoshi was intelligent and hot, but seem to be too afraid at times.

I was not happy that they did not involved Travis enough in the series.

I liked Dr. Phlox, he was a good doctor.

*Puts on running shoes and prepares to run from Yanks...*

I was not crazy about T'Pol at first. She was hot, but she had to develop as the T'Pol as we know. After the pon farr thing and the Vulcan neuropressure sessions, I should got to her before Trip and Yanks got to her first... :p

*Starts Booking (jet, running at top speed) from Yanks*

*Looks out for Serit*

I has not crazy about Reed either, but grew to respect him as tactical officer. He did not seem to work well with Captain Archer and did not seem to be a play well with other kind of guy.

*Veers away from whyaduck and grigori while still bookin...*

Trip was okay as chief engineer in the first season, but it seems like he was going to get around to it a little too often. Trip proved to be a great engineer, but Scotty is better...

*Gone to warp now with whyaduck and grigori in hot pursuit followed by Serit and Yanks, muhahahah!*

By the time season two ended, I was a regular viewer. Season three was good, and season four had me hooked. I wanted season five, but you know the rest.

*Looks back to see what happens to everyone only to find that they lock on a tractor beam to me. I guess this is it...or is it? muhahahah!!!*

The ship didn't have shields they had hull plating. Phasers Reed called them Phase Energy Weapon. You could think of Phase Energy Weapon housed in a canon casing. I think maybe they shouldn't have had the transporter and just had shuttles. Then they could have more storys getting the crew out of situations without having a transporter. They could have kept the missles instead of going with Photonic Torpedoes.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 9:24 pm

Oh, I remember that Wednesday night (actually 1am Thursday Morning cause UPN has long since disappeared from the market).

"Where No man has gone before..."
What a perfect way to begin the series. I expected the Klingon ridges because they were being shown in the promo. The Klingon in the corn field was cool. I heard Picard's voice in my hear... "First Contact with the Klingon Empire was a disastrous event that lead to decades of war."

Then the credits came on and it wasn't the typical orchestra we were accustomed to, but a college of flight with an awesome/inspirational theme song that talked about humanity rising from its past to becoming bold explorers in a new frontier. So, an immediate WT...? And then, hell ya!!

Then episode continued on. The Vulcans were shown as truly being proto-Vulcan and I thought they're acting a little bit like Romulans. I wonder if this will have any connections to the Romulan Wars? Or perhaps we're seeing the Vulcans from a very subjective POV. Cool. Then Archer said, "You have no idea how much I'm restraining myself from knocking you on your ass!" Another WOW moment, then... this is much closer today. Definitely middle ground between today and Kirk.

The rest of the episode continued much like that. Only thing that annoyed me slightly was the ending with the Klingons. I wanted something a little bit more dramatic that really echoed Picard's words, but then I thought... give it time.

Season 1 came and went. I loved it, particularly 'Vox Sola'. Watched the episode 5 times back to back the night it premiered. Season 2 came and went. I loved it. Season 3 came. Thought the yearly arc was strange and not necessarily a good sign for a show, but thought the episodes were still great and that the season had a great Star Trek spin as it came to an end. Season 4 arrived and I was OMG!!!!!! This is the best frakken season of Star Trek ever!

Then the show was canceled. And there has been no Star Trek since.

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Report this Oct. 08 2009, 9:27 pm

Quote (lostshaker @ Oct. 08 2009, 9:24 pm)
Oh, I remember that Wednesday night (actually 1am Thursday Morning cause UPN has long since disappeared from the market).

"Where No man has gone before..."
What a perfect way to being the series. I expected the Klingon ridges because they were being shown in the promo. The Klingon in the corn field was cool. I heard Picard's voice in my hear... "First Contact with the Klingon Empire was a disastrous event that lead to decades of war."

Then the credits came on and it wasn't the typical orchestra we were accustomed to, but a college of flight with an awesome/inspirational theme song that talked about humanity rising from its past to becoming fold explorers in a new frontier. So, an immediate WT...? And then, hell ya!!

Then episode continued on. The Vulcans were shown as truly being proto-Vulcan and I thought they're acting a little bit like Romulans. I wonder if this will have any connections to the Romulan Wars? Or perhaps we're seeing the Vulcans from a very subjective POV. Cool. Then Archer said, "You have no idea how much I'm restraining myself from knocking you on your ass!" Another WOW moment, then... this is much closer today. Definitely middle ground between today and Kirk.

The rest of the episode continued much like that. Only thing that annoyed me slightly was the ending with the Klingons. I wanted something a little bit more dramatic that really echoed Picard's words, but then I thought... give it time.

Season 1 came and went. I loved it, particularly 'Vox Sola'. Watched the episode 5 times back to back the night it premiered. Season 2 came and went. I loved it. Season 3 came. Thought the yearly arc was strange and not necessarily a good sign for a show, but thought the episodes were still great and that the season had a great Star Trek spin as it came to an end. Season 4 arrived and I was OMG!!!!!! This is the best frakken season of Star Trek ever!

Then the show was canceled. And there has been no Star Trek since.

I guess you do think the new movie is good enough to see?

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