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"put aside logic, do what feels right."

Jakemantrek

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 4:44 pm

Nero felt that destroying Vulcan was right.  He is justified according to Spock prime.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 4:54 pm

:eyesroll:  :eyesroll:

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:01 pm

That's not nice to roll your eyes. =(

Do you disagree with the connection that I have drawn?

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:06 pm

This makes very little sense and nearly constitutes as a troll question. Did your other thread not already attempt to prove points like this?

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:10 pm

I can end your argument with one simple statement. Spock prime is talking with himself and this advice is not intended for Nero. Next?

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:13 pm

Quote (Jakemantrek @ Oct. 03 2009, 1:44 pm)

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 He is justified according to Spock prime.


No Nero is justified according to Nero, nothing more or less than that.  :logical:

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:15 pm

Quote (Narada @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:10 pm)
I can end your argument with one simple statement. Spock prime is talking with himself and this advice is not intended for Nero. Next?

That's a valid argument.  Although I would argue that it's dangerous to employ different methodologies to different situations.  That usually leads to squishy reasoning where you can justify anything without regard to a set of firm principles.  For that reason I am uncomfortable with Spock prime's statement.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:20 pm

Well thank you. This is not intended to be an insult but some of your recent arguments are not using a direct line of reasoning. In this instance you are taking the words of Spock prime and attempting to project them on to everyone. Spock prime did not give this advice to the world but he gives it to a version of himself. He knows he is trustworthy of competent decision making and judgement so he gives this advice. He knows his younger self is struggling to find a balance between logic and emotion. He knows his younger self will not put aside logic completely. Therefore he is encouraging him to put it aside for a moment and do what he feels with emotion.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:22 pm

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:13 pm)
Yes in his mind after the loss of his home world, wife & child. Mind you he was mentally unstable when he decided to destroy Vulcan.

Young Spock was mentally unstable after the destruction of his home planet.  In fact, young Spock admitted to having uncontrollable anger for the one who killed his mother.  Spock prime's advice seems to have no regard for mental stability since he is advising some one with uncontrollable anger.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:24 pm

If this is worthy of discussion then consider this. What is Spock prime telling Spock to do in this context when he says do what feels right? He is talking of a specific situation to one person and you try to apply it generally for every situation and person. This is not his problem it is your problem of interpretation.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:25 pm

Quote (Narada @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:20 pm)
Well thank you. This is not intended to be an insult but some of your recent arguments are not using a direct line of reasoning. In this instance you are taking the words of Spock prime and attempting to project them on to everyone. Spock prime did not give this advice to the world but he gives it to a version of himself. He knows he is trustworthy of competent decision making and judgement so he gives this advice. He knows his younger self is struggling to find a balance between logic and emotion. He knows his younger self will not put aside logic completely. Therefore he is encouraging him to put it aside for a moment and do what he feels with emotion.

I understand that.  Sorry if I didn't make it clear when I said, "that's a valid argument."  I understand and agree with your argument.

What do you think of my counterargument about squishy methodologies?

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:27 pm

Yes I appreciate your compliment and said thank you. I feel your counter argument about squishy methodologies is not making sense because you are taking what Spock says out of context and applying it in situations that do not relate. If someone asks me what to do this weekend and I say "Do what you feel is right" and they go commit a murder it is their problem and not mine. Now if I approach a known murderer with sinister views and tell them "Do what you feel is right" this could be helping to instigate.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:29 pm

Quote (Narada @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:24 pm)
This is not his problem it is your problem of interpretation.

Perhaps you are right.  I am experiencing anger towards you and your replies.  I will take my leave of this topic.  Maybe I will return later when I have cooled down a bit.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 5:30 pm

I am sorry to make you feel anger with my replies because I am really taking the time to discuss your topic and I am not trying to make you feel bad. We already discussed Vulcans at length so we are already getting to know each other and our views. I am just not agreeing with this argument and I am trying to clearly state why.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 9:22 pm

Quote (Narada @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:30 pm)
I am sorry to make you feel anger with my replies because I am really taking the time to discuss your topic and I am not trying to make you feel bad. We already discussed Vulcans at length so we are already getting to know each other and our views. I am just not agreeing with this argument and I am trying to clearly state why.

Congrads Narada you just busted your startrek.com cherry LOL Great job!

Oh btw off topic but I just got a blu ray rip of Star Trek 11. The blood is as green as can be.

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