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Could Threshold be saved?

redmerc

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 1:47 am

I like the idea of infinite velocity and being everywhere at the same time. To me an interesting idea, but everything after that was downhill. I'm trying to forget about the "reptile" scene.

What would you change after warp 10 was achieved, and take it easy on me. I'm new here.

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 2:52 am

no too out of context.

Lynx677

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 4:38 am

Yes, "Threshold" could be saved if we have an endscene where Paris wakes up and realizes that it was all a nightmare. With such an endscene the episode would be more like "Projections" and really funny as well.

captbates

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 4:58 am

Can't be saved!

The writers messed up big time with this one, putting a Warp 10 attempt in so early on in the series, the entire Federation couldn't get it to work but Tom and Harry on a holodeck and a shuttle could :O

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 6:37 am

It was all a bad dream!!! That was used in Dallas. Once was enough. I love Voyager but this one was a stinker and should never have been.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 12:50 pm

Quote (redmerc @ Oct. 03 2009, 1:47 am)
I like the idea of infinite velocity and being everywhere at the same time. To me an interesting idea, but everything after that was downhill. I'm trying to forget about the "reptile" scene.

What would you change after warp 10 was achieved, and take it easy on me. I'm new here.

I like slip stream volocities better.

Zorf24

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 4:37 pm

Quote (Lynx677 @ Oct. 03 2009, 4:38 am)
Yes, "Threshold" could be saved if we have an endscene where Paris wakes up and realizes that it was all a nightmare. With such an endscene the episode would be more like "Projections" and really funny as well.

that would have been really stupid, but it still would have been better than what we got.

captbates

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 4:46 pm

They could have given us an episode where the crew adapted new tech to VOY and tried to reach Warp 10. The test failed, severly damaging VOY, leaving the crew to rebuild the warp drive over the next few episodes. They would have to look for raw materials, or trade with new species, which would open up all sorts of possibilities.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 7:58 pm

I don't have a hate for this ep. like others do.

It's supposed to be a homage to "Altered States", so I kinda get the whole reason why they went with a lizard.
The Caveman thing or higher evolved idea would have been crossing into the Lawsuit Zone!
PLus, I think they already had the higher evolved thing planned for Kes anyway.
That would have been to redundant.
I watch it as an ep. out of continunity.
There won't be any future repercussions from the ending or follow up to it, so who cares if they had lizard babies?

brcarthey

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 11:08 pm

Quote (exodus201 @ Oct. 03 2009, 7:58 pm)
I don't have a hate for this ep. like others do.

It's supposed to be a homage to "Altered States", so I kinda get the whole reason why they went with a lizard.
The Caveman thing or higher evolved idea would have been crossing into the Lawsuit Zone!
PLus, I think they already had the higher evolved thing planned for Kes anyway.
That would have been to redundant.
I watch it as an ep. out of continunity.
There won't be any future repercussions from the ending or follow up to it, so who cares if they had lizard babies?

right.  plus, the events here are never mentioned again so while it is canon fans aren't reminded of it later.  it isn't even mentioned in any of the books (...so far).

i don't see a problem with having janeway waking up from a bad dream scenario at the end, calling the paris over the comm to check his status which he sleepily replies to.  to cover the request of asking of him to go undercover she asks him to report to her ready room the next morning before his shift.  i don't see this as a "dallas" episode b/c that whole scenario took place over a whole season.

ok so if you don't like that you could start with paris in sickbay suffering from a high fever and delusional. he suddenly gets better and then starts the whole project with kim and torres.  after his mutation, you see him in sickbay with the doctor frantically trying to get his fever to come down which he finally achieves. janeway comes to see him afterwards and the episode ends.

in all honesty, i don't have that big of a problem with this episode.  the episode is just fine with the exception of the geckos at the end.  but, even then who the hell knows what humanity will eventually evolve into. i mean, we already evolved from single-celled bacteria as it is. so who the frick really knows.

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Report this Oct. 04 2009, 12:13 am

Threshold is the lowest point the Trek franchise ever reached.

Forget that, it's the lowest point television ever reached.  It comes pretty close to the lowest point of humanity.  In fact, look at all the terrible things that have happened in the world after Threshold was released.  I mean, just two days later 86 people were killed and another 1,400 injured in Sri Lanka when an explosives truck was driven into the central bank.  That same day, another 122 died and 400 were injured when dynamite being illegally stored exploded under an apartment in China, and don't forget that bomb that exploded in Colombo, kill 88 more.  A few days later, there was a major earthquake in China that killed another 240, and a 757 crashed two days after that!  This list could go on forever!  The most violant few weeks in recorded history coincided with the release of this episode!

RedShirtGuyNumber1001

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Report this Oct. 04 2009, 2:54 am

people HATED the fact that humans de-evolved, you should have seen the comments back in the day.  I believe it, take a look around, people are getting dumber.

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Report this Oct. 04 2009, 7:39 am

Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Oct. 03 2009, 7:54 am)
people HATED the fact that humans de-evolved, you should have seen the comments back in the day. ¿I believe it, take a look around, people are getting dumber.

Lol....true  :laugh:



Is it really feasible that Humans would ever Evolve into lizards? I doubt anyone would think so, which makes it a creative disaster, in fact here's a quote from the man himself which some of you will be familiar with.
:O

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Report this Oct. 04 2009, 2:09 pm

From my point of view Threshold could have been ok (not good simply ok) until towards the end.

The good part of the show is that it did show some the things that motivated Paris and what made up his personality makeup.  

But saying that they should have dropped the whole being everywhere at once concept, I just did not find that believable.  Plus, towards the end where they went into the evolving portion is where they really jumped the shark, not to mention the lizard thing.

If they had simply shown that reaching warp 10 had extreme detrimental effects on people causing physical and mental problems the story might have worked, showing it as a technology that the risk far out weighted the rewards.  But they took it to so much an extreme that it became overwhelming silly.

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Report this Oct. 04 2009, 3:24 pm

Quote (captbates @ Oct. 04 2009, 7:39 am)
Quote (RedShirtGuyNumber1001 @ Oct. 03 2009, 7:54 am)
people HATED the fact that humans de-evolved, you should have seen the comments back in the day. ?I believe it, take a look around, people are getting dumber.

Lol....true ¿:laugh:



Is it really feasible that Humans would ever Evolve into lizards? I doubt anyone would think so, which makes it a creative disaster, in fact here's a quote from the man himself which some of you will be familiar with.
:O

Evolution is not necessarily by definition about 'improvements'. Many consider it to be and 'improving' has been attached.

The definition (taken from Dictionary.com)  of evolution as it applies to Biology:

Biology. change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/evolution

While it is generally perceived that organisms progress, the flip side is true. It is the simplest organisms that survive mass extinctions. Then the whole cycle repeats. So who is to say what's the better evolutionary advantage: being a single cell organism that spawns a diversity of multi-cellular organisms and can survive mass extinctions to do it all again or being an intelligent multi-cellular organism that can send probes into space? We as human beings have a somewhat biased perspective. I am happy being a human, but that is based on the belief that we won't wipe ourselves out as a civilization; and have the intelligence to one day avert natural catastrophes.    

Natural selection favors genes that allow for survival. Inactive genes may become active again during a mass extinction if they allow for survival. This borders on pleomorphism (definition from thefreedictionary.com):

2.  Biology The occurrence of two or more structural forms during a life cycle, especially of certain plants.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pleomorphism

While pleomorphism typically relates to microorganisms, it has broader implications in an evolutionary context. Viruses and bacteria have proven to be interrelated. Studies have shown bacteria to be able to survive environmental discriminators by reverting to a viral state in an earlier life cycle.

It is important to note that pleomorphism is not regarded highly or given much attention by the Medical Community in the U.S., but pleomorphic behavior has been identified and documented in microorganisms of some caves in the South Western United States.

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