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MrsStarbuck

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Report this Oct. 02 2009, 7:37 pm

So tonight I did what you all suggested and started at the beginning with Caretaker, and...wow, what an awesome episode!

I'll start at the beginning. I have to say that the little text crawl in the opening immediately made me think of Star Wars!

It was nice to get introductions to all the characters, something that we never got with TOS. And I also love that they're 'real' and interesting people, with fascinating backstories.

I already knew the Voyager premise, that they get lost 75 years travel away from home, so to see the scenes of Janeway talking to her partner was quite sad because I knew she wasn't going to see him again for a long, long time.

Harry Kim is sweet. I love his enthusiasm for his first post, his desire to impress and do the right thing, something we can probably all identify with from our first days in a new job.

Tom Paris is an interesting, and obviously conflicted character. I'm looking forward to finding out more about him.

The emergency medical hologram doctor is coooool! I'd seen him in the other episodes I'd caught, but hadn't realised he was a hologram, so that bit took me by surprise.

Tuvok...I'm not sure what to make of him yet. I have to say, with my only previous experience of Vulcans being Spock, I'm a bit surprised to find a Vulcan as head of security, as I'd imagine they'd have found the role rather aggressive? Considering that Spock is my all-time favourite Trek character so far though, it'll be interesting to see whether Tuvok grows on me.

I'm not sure I saw enough of Chakotay and B'Elanna to make a real opinion yet, although Chakotay was obviously a competent Captain of his own crew.

Neelix...I have to admit, in the later episodes I caught last week, I found Neelix a little bit annoying, although he seemed more 'useful' in this episode.
Kes...I haven't really seen her do much yet either, although I admired her for standing up to her people and helping the Voyager crew.


So, onto the story. Is anyone familiar with the short story 'The Machine Stops' by EM Forster? The concept of the Ocampa living underground and being taken care of by the Caretaker reminded me a lot of that story, particularly as the Caretaker was dying, and that some of the Ocampa tried to escape to the surface.

One question though, and I may have missed this in the episode...how did he pick which crewmembers to test for compatibility as a mate? What drew him to Kim and B'Elanna in particular?

I found the holographic 'farm' a little bit distracting at first, but I loved the tension between the crew and the Kazon. I take it they'll be a recurring race of 'bad guys'?

It was also fascinating to see that the Caretaker, who obviously appeared as a 'God' to the Ocampa, was in truth just a 'man', who had a finite life just like the rest of us. It made me think of the Wizard of Oz ending up being simply a man behind a curtain.

And what a brave and noble move by Janeway to destroy the Array, even though it was their only way to get home. I'll admit right now that, when she gave the speech at the end about how they will find a way home, I had a lump in my throat!

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Report this Oct. 02 2009, 7:41 pm

Yes, all very true glad you enjoyed it! :D

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Report this Oct. 02 2009, 7:44 pm

Welcome to Voyager......It gets better from here.

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Report this Oct. 02 2009, 7:47 pm

Quote (gerry7 @ Oct. 02 2009, 1:44 am)
Welcome to Voyager......It gets better from here.

he he...thanks. I'm sure it does, I'm pretty much hooked already!

I think what appeals to me with Voyager is that it's so completely different to TOS, in that...I think it's fair to say...it's a lot more 'serious' than TOS. Not that TOS didn't have serious episodes, but there is a completely different feel to the two series's to me.

(And not that I don't still ADORE TOS, because I do...but I'd hate to have just seen the same thing done over again with the other series's)

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Report this Oct. 02 2009, 7:50 pm

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Oct. 02 2009, 4:47 pm)
Quote (gerry7 @ Oct. 02 2009, 1:44 am)
Welcome to Voyager......It gets better from here.

he he...thanks. I'm sure it does, I'm pretty much hooked already!

I think what appeals to me with Voyager is that it's so completely different to TOS, in that...I think it's fair to say...it's a lot more 'serious' than TOS. Not that TOS didn't have serious episodes, but there is a completely different feel to the two series's to me.

(And not that I don't still ADORE TOS, because I do...but I'd hate to have just seen the same thing done over again with the other series's)

Actually VOY reminds me the most of TOS. I wont spoil it for you.  :p

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Report this Oct. 02 2009, 7:58 pm

Hi, MrsStarbuck

This was a fantastic episode. And at this point in Star Trek's history I thought it was among the best pilots, standing right beside TOS' "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before".

I can understand the surprise with a Vulcan Security Officer, but the show goes onto explaining later on, subtle in the beginning, but episodes that address the issue a couple seasons in.

The Caretaker was searching for "lifeforms with a compatible bio-molecular pattern".

And yes, Janeway's actions represented high ideals.

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Report this Oct. 02 2009, 8:03 pm

Quote (lostshaker @ Oct. 02 2009, 1:58 am)
I can understand the surprise with a Vulcan Security Officer, but the show goes onto explaining later on, subtle in the beginning, but episodes that address the issue a couple seasons in.

I really do love Vulcans as a race, so It's good to know there'll be more about this.

I also love Klingons as a race (at least, the TOS Klingons I've seen so far) so I'm hoping that B'Elanna grows on me.

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Report this Oct. 02 2009, 9:35 pm

hey SB, "caretaker" is arguably the best pilot of the modern-day trek series.  i'm glad to see that you like it so much.  you've gotten a taste of these characters now but just wait as you see some of them really mature and evolve--some better than others and unfortunately a couple not at all, but you'll see as the series progresses.  i think you'll agree after watching all seven seasons there are certain actors, i think you'll agree, that just completely owned there roles.

so get ready for a ride.  i can't say that every episode is a masterpiece b/c there are some duds as expected with every series, but to me this is the most realistic in terms of the characters being the most realistic.  i'm trying not to get ahead of you by mentioning upcoming episodes so that i don't color your perception of them and hopefully won't either. i think always best to come into them with a blank slate.  up next, is "parallax," "time and again."

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 3:01 am

yeah they kind of forgot about the caretaker.  I thought a finale that tied back would've been better, the borg thing was overdone.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 4:33 am

Hi Mrs S. good review.

The Caretaker tested all the humanoids that he brought to his array, and released all the incompatible ones (which was everyone), we don't know exactly why Kim and Torres (or any of the others sent to the Ocampa) were different, the writers must have decided the information was not necessary to the story.
The "farm" was just reconstructed as a waiting room to let the crew "feel at home" a non threatning enviroment.
The Kazon kinda suck, I never really liked them as ST villains, and we see their small raiders compete with Voyager when later on in the series Voyager is almost indestructable. That said the Kazon do give us some good episodes.

Chakotay starts off well, but is overshadowed by Janeway, he never lives up to early promise, the same can be said for Harry. Don't expect Tuvok as head of security to be anything like a Worf character, he has his moments though.
Neelix actually gets less annoying as time goes by, I didn't like him at first, now I can't imagine Voyager without him.


It's get to get a "new" perspective on these boards, keep us posted Mrs S. :)

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 4:42 am

"Caretaker" is a great episode,  the best Star Trek pilot episode ever!

Here it's action and excitement from the beginning to the end and the main characters are introduced one by one in a very good way.

I remember when I first watched this episode, it was so incredible exciting and I still get a pleasure out of watching it again. Just look at the scene where Kim says "We're on the other side of the Galaxy". It still gives me goosebumps and a feeling that "now the adventures really begin".

After watching tghis episode, I could hardly wait for the next one.

I'll give it 5 points out of 5.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 6:44 am

Quote (captbates @ Oct. 02 2009, 10:33 am)
The Caretaker tested all the humanoids that he brought to his array, and released all the incompatible ones (which was everyone), we don't know exactly why Kim and Torres (or any of the others sent to the Ocampa) were different, the writers must have decided the information was not necessary to the story.


Oh, okay...thanks for the info. I just wondered if there had been something special about those two that I should have picked up on.

Quote (captbates @ Oct. 02 2009, 10:33 am)

Chakotay starts off well, but is overshadowed by Janeway, he never lives up to early promise, the same can be said for Harry.


That's a shame, although...I love Janeway so much I'm probably not going to notice everyone else that much anyway :laugh:

Quote (captbates @ Oct. 02 2009, 10:33 am)

Don't expect Tuvok as head of security to be anything like a Worf character, he has his moments though.


I'm not too familiar with TNG yet, so I won't be making any comparisons to Worf.
Although, I do know that Worf is a Klingon, which to me would seem like a logical race to take up positions like security chief...Vulcan, not so much...but as lostshaker has assured me this will make more sense later I'm intrigued to find out more.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 12:28 pm

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Oct. 02 2009, 7:37 pm)
So tonight I did what you all suggested and started at the beginning with Caretaker, and...wow, what an awesome episode!

I'll start at the beginning. I have to say that the little text crawl in the opening immediately made me think of Star Wars!

It was nice to get introductions to all the characters, something that we never got with TOS. And I also love that they're 'real' and interesting people, with fascinating backstories.

I already knew the Voyager premise, that they get lost 75 years travel away from home, so to see the scenes of Janeway talking to her partner was quite sad because I knew she wasn't going to see him again for a long, long time.

Harry Kim is sweet. I love his enthusiasm for his first post, his desire to impress and do the right thing, something we can probably all identify with from our first days in a new job.

Tom Paris is an interesting, and obviously conflicted character. I'm looking forward to finding out more about him.

The emergency medical hologram doctor is coooool! I'd seen him in the other episodes I'd caught, but hadn't realised he was a hologram, so that bit took me by surprise.

Tuvok...I'm not sure what to make of him yet. I have to say, with my only previous experience of Vulcans being Spock, I'm a bit surprised to find a Vulcan as head of security, as I'd imagine they'd have found the role rather aggressive? Considering that Spock is my all-time favourite Trek character so far though, it'll be interesting to see whether Tuvok grows on me.

I'm not sure I saw enough of Chakotay and B'Elanna to make a real opinion yet, although Chakotay was obviously a competent Captain of his own crew.

Neelix...I have to admit, in the later episodes I caught last week, I found Neelix a little bit annoying, although he seemed more 'useful' in this episode.
Kes...I haven't really seen her do much yet either, although I admired her for standing up to her people and helping the Voyager crew.


So, onto the story. Is anyone familiar with the short story 'The Machine Stops' by EM Forster? The concept of the Ocampa living underground and being taken care of by the Caretaker reminded me a lot of that story, particularly as the Caretaker was dying, and that some of the Ocampa tried to escape to the surface.

One question though, and I may have missed this in the episode...how did he pick which crewmembers to test for compatibility as a mate? What drew him to Kim and B'Elanna in particular?

I found the holographic 'farm' a little bit distracting at first, but I loved the tension between the crew and the Kazon. I take it they'll be a recurring race of 'bad guys'?

It was also fascinating to see that the Caretaker, who obviously appeared as a 'God' to the Ocampa, was in truth just a 'man', who had a finite life just like the rest of us. It made me think of the Wizard of Oz ending up being simply a man behind a curtain.

And what a brave and noble move by Janeway to destroy the Array, even though it was their only way to get home. I'll admit right now that, when she gave the speech at the end about how they will find a way home, I had a lump in my throat!

Watch the next ep.

You find out about B'launa.

And they kind of get some of the iron problems of there trip down.

Vulcan's can be VERY aggressive.

They find having security as logical within reason.

Although in the past, they have been extra aggressive with it.

It was Voyagers contact with Neelix aboard his ship that reminded me of Wizard of Oz too.

Why they had the text was, because they wanted you to understand what was going on with the Ma'kee.

Come on, you got to realize something is different with the Doctor.  With him disappearing and reapearing.

Yes the Kazon are occuring.

But remember.  Voyager's goal is to get back to the Federation and EVENTUALLY will move out of there territory.

There are other enemy's.

Kes will be useful and she will join in.  Its just she hadn't been on Voyager long yet.  She is a VERY interesting alien.  A alien that only lives 10 years.

But I am glad you love Voyager.

However Trek is different to Star Wars.

By the way Trek came first if your wondering.

Finally, You also might enjoy watching some next generation too.

I love it too.

I also want to hope that you understand that NOT everyone is peaceful here.

Trek gets to be a argumetive group and hope you don't pick up those bad habits.

Well I don't want to say 2 much more...laters!

I want to leave as much to guess as possible.

Welcome to Voyager.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 12:35 pm

Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Oct. 02 2009, 7:47 pm)
Quote (gerry7 @ Oct. 02 2009, 1:44 am)
Welcome to Voyager......It gets better from here.

he he...thanks. I'm sure it does, I'm pretty much hooked already!

I think what appeals to me with Voyager is that it's so completely different to TOS, in that...I think it's fair to say...it's a lot more 'serious' than TOS. Not that TOS didn't have serious episodes, but there is a completely different feel to the two series's to me.

(And not that I don't still ADORE TOS, because I do...but I'd hate to have just seen the same thing done over again with the other series's)

WOW.

I think we might have a similar trekie type to me.

You probably wont enjoy the reboot trek like me.

Which is the eleventh movie...and it sounds like you may not be star wars fan.

Because there is NOTHING serous about it I find.

You probably will love some Next Generation...the series too.

It has some of the TOS feel, but it has a more serous lead to it.

The next Generation is about the crew of the Enterprise-D.  There NOT lost.  but they are the flagship of the federation and launched BEFORE Voyager.

The crew of kirk is histoy.  lather half the 23rd century.

The Next Generation, takes place in the 24th century, starting in the early sixties (THERE TIMELINE), which carries onto the seventies with the Enterprise-E.

I wont say any more about that crew.  Don't want to spoil it.

But I suggest you watch next Generation too.

We will always answer your questions here.

Tell us about what ep your on and questions.

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Report this Oct. 03 2009, 12:36 pm

Quote (Vice_Adm_Baxter @ Oct. 02 2009, 7:50 pm)
Quote (MrsStarbuck @ Oct. 02 2009, 4:47 pm)
Quote (gerry7 @ Oct. 02 2009, 1:44 am)
Welcome to Voyager......It gets better from here.

he he...thanks. I'm sure it does, I'm pretty much hooked already!

I think what appeals to me with Voyager is that it's so completely different to TOS, in that...I think it's fair to say...it's a lot more 'serious' than TOS. Not that TOS didn't have serious episodes, but there is a completely different feel to the two series's to me.

(And not that I don't still ADORE TOS, because I do...but I'd hate to have just seen the same thing done over again with the other series's)

Actually VOY reminds me the most of TOS. I wont spoil it for you. ¿:p

It has a VERY different feel than TOS.

I feel.

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