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"Every person in uniform is a hero."

Alisium

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 9:37 am

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Quote (ZeroArmour @ Oct. 01 2009, 5:55 am)
No, on one is a hero just for getting a uniform.

Just look at this guy!


A hero is defined by his (or her) actions.

This scumbag deserted the Guard to go on a cocaine binge but his daddy got him out of any consequences.

He didn't desert. You can take time off from the reserves, that's the way the reserves works. Ignorant dip-schits like yourself and Dan Blather wouldn't know about anything like that.

Oh yeah, didn't Dan Blather just lose a court case regarding his falsifying of documents to win the election for Kerry?

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 9:38 am

Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:37 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 04 2009, 7:35 pm)
Quote (ZeroArmour @ Oct. 01 2009, 5:55 am)
No, on one is a hero just for getting a uniform.

Just look at this guy!


A hero is defined by his (or her) actions.

This scumbag deserted the Guard to go on a cocaine binge but his daddy got him out of any consequences.

He didn't desert. You can take time off from the reserves, that's the way the reserves works. Ignorant dip-schits like yourself and Dan Blather wouldn't know about anything like that.

Oh yeah, didn't Dan Blather just lose a court case regarding his falsifying of documents to win the election for Kerry?

Yes, he did desert to go on a cocaine binge and he should have gone to prison but his daddy protected him from the consequences of a bad decision. In fact ALL his life, his daddy rescued him. GW Bu$h has never in his life faced the consequences of a bad decision.

Alisium

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 9:58 am

Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 03 2009, 3:43 pm)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:03 pm)
Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 02 2009, 6:43 am)
It's like the statement: "Support our Troops." ?Does that support include when they are raping women and killing children? ?The sentiment is noble, but leads directly to abuse. ?Hence, my signature below. ?You want to know why various governments don't use robotic soldiers for invasions--even though they might be more effective in the long run? ?Because nobody is going to put a bumper sticker on their car that says: "Support our Robots." ?It is the same reason the Americans haven't nuked anybody in 70 years. ?Support for mass murder on a biblical scale seldom sells. ?People are still arguing (10 forward included) over whether the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were warranted.

Yes because we regularly burn, rape and pillage.

?:eyesroll:

Stupid remark on your part.

Honestly with some of the a**holes on this site, I think I enjoy abusing myself by returning.

Please explain to stupid me, why I am so stupid--please use easy to understand terms.

1) I never said anybody regularly does anything. ¿All I meant, was IF someone committed a heinous crime, they are not necessarily heros. ¿Thats all. ¿IF!

2) If you don't want to explain why its stupid to me, then explain to the others--so that we all might learn from my stupidity! ¿What's the point of just saying its stupid without any examples of why?

3) Am I, then, finally one of the "a**holes" on this site because I have a different opinion from you? ¿Have I said something offensive? ¿I'm really sorry if I did. ¿That was not my intent.

It's stupid because obviously, "Support Our Troops" is not a blanket statement that includes warfighters committing heinous acts in theater. It also assumes that this happens enough as to be an issue. It also assumes that by in large, the civilian world has a much better record in "the heinous acts ledger".

It's not a jingle. It's a way to remember how Vietnam veterans were treated upon returning home to the USA, a country that sent most of those young men to war against their will. It reminds us never to do that again.

Yet, so called peace activists, love to stir the hatred towards the military and liken (such as in your post) it to a force with the propensity towards evil.  Peace activist, who rejoice at the heinous acts of a few, so they can paint the entire military as monsters for the world. Monsters that can only be reigned in by high-minded thinkers, such as yourselves.

I know plenty of military folks. Are they all heroes? Hell no. Some are down right sh*t bags, one or two I'd love to curb, myself.

Taken as a hole or on the average, however, any of them is a far better human being than your average, nasty, back on the block, pampered, ignorant, sheltered, highfalutin civilian.

P.S.

The robot comment was stupid as well. Because, we are currently working on robots that take the place of actual warfighters, and already have a few semi-autonomous weapons that can. You bet they'll be fielded when they're available.

You also, obviously, just have one of those, highfalutin, reactionary and ultimately ignorant understanding of the atomic bombings of WWII. (No, I'm not going to re argue that, use the search function).

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 10:01 am

Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 05 2009, 1:38 am)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:37 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 04 2009, 7:35 pm)
Quote (ZeroArmour @ Oct. 01 2009, 5:55 am)
No, on one is a hero just for getting a uniform.

Just look at this guy!


A hero is defined by his (or her) actions.

This scumbag deserted the Guard to go on a cocaine binge but his daddy got him out of any consequences.

He didn't desert. You can take time off from the reserves, that's the way the reserves works. Ignorant dip-schits like yourself and Dan Blather wouldn't know about anything like that.

Oh yeah, didn't Dan Blather just lose a court case regarding his falsifying of documents to win the election for Kerry?

Yes, he did desert to go on a cocaine binge and he should have gone to prison but his daddy protected him from the consequences of a bad decision. In fact ALL his life, his daddy rescued him. GW Bu$h has never in his life faced the consequences of a bad decision.

Now you're just showing yourself to be deranged and obsessed.

But who's more deranged, you or me (for responding to idiots like you)?

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 4:10 pm

Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:38 am)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:37 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 04 2009, 7:35 pm)
Quote (ZeroArmour @ Oct. 01 2009, 5:55 am)
No, on one is a hero just for getting a uniform.

Just look at this guy!


A hero is defined by his (or her) actions.

This scumbag deserted the Guard to go on a cocaine binge but his daddy got him out of any consequences.

He didn't desert. You can take time off from the reserves, that's the way the reserves works. Ignorant dip-schits like yourself and Dan Blather wouldn't know about anything like that.

Oh yeah, didn't Dan Blather just lose a court case regarding his falsifying of documents to win the election for Kerry?

Yes, he did desert to go on a cocaine binge and he should have gone to prison but his daddy protected him from the consequences of a bad decision. In fact ALL his life, his daddy rescued him. GW Bu$h has never in his life faced the consequences of a bad decision.

One of the movies Bush had on Air Force One was Ferris Bueller's Day Off.  I think that says a lot about his character.

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 4:20 pm

It depends if said military personnel actually saw some action, not just simply being there.

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 4:20 pm

Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 05 2009, 8:10 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:38 am)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 04 2009, 10:37 am)
Quote (Josh_Lyman @ Oct. 04 2009, 7:35 pm)
Quote (ZeroArmour @ Oct. 01 2009, 5:55 am)
No, on one is a hero just for getting a uniform.

Just look at this guy!


A hero is defined by his (or her) actions.

This scumbag deserted the Guard to go on a cocaine binge but his daddy got him out of any consequences.

He didn't desert. You can take time off from the reserves, that's the way the reserves works. Ignorant dip-schits like yourself and Dan Blather wouldn't know about anything like that.

Oh yeah, didn't Dan Blather just lose a court case regarding his falsifying of documents to win the election for Kerry?

Yes, he did desert to go on a cocaine binge and he should have gone to prison but his daddy protected him from the consequences of a bad decision. In fact ALL his life, his daddy rescued him. GW Bu$h has never in his life faced the consequences of a bad decision.

One of the movies Bush had on Air Force One was Ferris Bueller's Day Off. ¿I think that says a lot about his character.

Wait, I own it too. It's one of the funniest movies of time.

What does it say about one's character?

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 5:08 pm

Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:58 am)
Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 03 2009, 3:43 pm)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:03 pm)
Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 02 2009, 6:43 am)
It's like the statement: "Support our Troops." ?Does that support include when they are raping women and killing children? ?The sentiment is noble, but leads directly to abuse. ?Hence, my signature below. ?You want to know why various governments don't use robotic soldiers for invasions--even though they might be more effective in the long run? ?Because nobody is going to put a bumper sticker on their car that says: "Support our Robots." ?It is the same reason the Americans haven't nuked anybody in 70 years. ?Support for mass murder on a biblical scale seldom sells. ?People are still arguing (10 forward included) over whether the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were warranted.

Yes because we regularly burn, rape and pillage.

?:eyesroll:

Stupid remark on your part.

Honestly with some of the a**holes on this site, I think I enjoy abusing myself by returning.

Please explain to stupid me, why I am so stupid--please use easy to understand terms.

1) I never said anybody regularly does anything. ?All I meant, was IF someone committed a heinous crime, they are not necessarily heros. ?Thats all. ?IF!

2) If you don't want to explain why its stupid to me, then explain to the others--so that we all might learn from my stupidity! ?What's the point of just saying its stupid without any examples of why?

3) Am I, then, finally one of the "a**holes" on this site because I have a different opinion from you? ?Have I said something offensive? ?I'm really sorry if I did. ?That was not my intent.

It's stupid because obviously, "Support Our Troops" is not a blanket statement that includes warfighters committing heinous acts in theater. It also assumes that this happens enough as to be an issue. It also assumes that by in large, the civilian world has a much better record in "the heinous acts ledger".

It's not a jingle. It's a way to remember how Vietnam veterans were treated upon returning home to the USA, a country that sent most of those young men to war against their will. It reminds us never to do that again.

Yet, so called peace activists, love to stir the hatred towards the military and liken (such as in your post) it to a force with the propensity towards evil. ¿Peace activist, who rejoice at the heinous acts of a few, so they can paint the entire military as monsters for the world. Monsters that can only be reigned in by high-minded thinkers, such as yourselves.

I know plenty of military folks. Are they all heroes? Hell no. Some are down right sh*t bags, one or two I'd love to curb, myself.

Taken as a hole or on the average, however, any of them is a far better human being than your average, nasty, back on the block, pampered, ignorant, sheltered, highfalutin civilian.

P.S.

The robot comment was stupid as well. Because, we are currently working on robots that take the place of actual warfighters, and already have a few semi-autonomous weapons that can. You bet they'll be fielded when they're available.

You also, obviously, just have one of those, highfalutin, reactionary and ultimately ignorant understanding of the atomic bombings of WWII. (No, I'm not going to re argue that, use the search function).

Its a stupid statement if you interpret it the way you are.  The abuse of "Support Our Troop" usually doesn't come in to form of accepting "heinous acts."  I was actually thinking more along the lines of supporting the war by supporting the troops.  I "support" our troops, but I do not support most of the wars they are ordered to fight.  That is all.  I would "support" our troops by bringing them home.

Never said it was a jingle, used appropriatly, its fine.

Please believe me, I am not attempting to "stir" any hatred towards the military.  Again, I have nothing against the military or those that serve.

And again, I know a lot of military folks too.

Your attitude toward "civilians" seems a little skewed.  Are you sure "any of them" are better than your average civilian?  Any?

So the robot comment was stupid because "we are currently working on robots"?  Why?

And yes, it is obvious I "have one of those, highfalutin, reactionary and ultimately ignorant understanding of the atomic bombings of WWII."  Got all that from one paragraph, huh?  We'll I'm OBVIOUSLY out-classed here.  Me and my highfalutin' ways.  Highfalutin' civilian ways...  Sounds a trifle a elitist, if you ask me.  Is that what you learned in the service, that you are better than the rest of us?

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 7:40 pm

Most are heroes. Some are morons. Unfortunately, the morons do occasionally tarnish the reputation of the genuine "heroes."

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 7:43 pm

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"Every person in uniform is a hero."



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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 8:21 pm

It is impossible to agree with a blanket statement such as that. I would agree that the vast majority of people in uniform are heroes, but there are those who desecrate the uniforms they wear by their actions.

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 10:03 pm

downhill, this thread has gone

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Report this Oct. 05 2009, 11:34 pm

Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 05 2009, 9:08 am)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:58 am)
Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 03 2009, 3:43 pm)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:03 pm)
Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 02 2009, 6:43 am)
It's like the statement: "Support our Troops." ?Does that support include when they are raping women and killing children? ?The sentiment is noble, but leads directly to abuse. ?Hence, my signature below. ?You want to know why various governments don't use robotic soldiers for invasions--even though they might be more effective in the long run? ?Because nobody is going to put a bumper sticker on their car that says: "Support our Robots." ?It is the same reason the Americans haven't nuked anybody in 70 years. ?Support for mass murder on a biblical scale seldom sells. ?People are still arguing (10 forward included) over whether the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were warranted.

Yes because we regularly burn, rape and pillage.

?:eyesroll:

Stupid remark on your part.

Honestly with some of the a**holes on this site, I think I enjoy abusing myself by returning.

Please explain to stupid me, why I am so stupid--please use easy to understand terms.

1) I never said anybody regularly does anything. ?All I meant, was IF someone committed a heinous crime, they are not necessarily heros. ?Thats all. ?IF!

2) If you don't want to explain why its stupid to me, then explain to the others--so that we all might learn from my stupidity! ?What's the point of just saying its stupid without any examples of why?

3) Am I, then, finally one of the "a**holes" on this site because I have a different opinion from you? ?Have I said something offensive? ?I'm really sorry if I did. ?That was not my intent.

It's stupid because obviously, "Support Our Troops" is not a blanket statement that includes warfighters committing heinous acts in theater. It also assumes that this happens enough as to be an issue. It also assumes that by in large, the civilian world has a much better record in "the heinous acts ledger".

It's not a jingle. It's a way to remember how Vietnam veterans were treated upon returning home to the USA, a country that sent most of those young men to war against their will. It reminds us never to do that again.

Yet, so called peace activists, love to stir the hatred towards the military and liken (such as in your post) it to a force with the propensity towards evil. ?Peace activist, who rejoice at the heinous acts of a few, so they can paint the entire military as monsters for the world. Monsters that can only be reigned in by high-minded thinkers, such as yourselves.

I know plenty of military folks. Are they all heroes? Hell no. Some are down right sh*t bags, one or two I'd love to curb, myself.

Taken as a hole or on the average, however, any of them is a far better human being than your average, nasty, back on the block, pampered, ignorant, sheltered, highfalutin civilian.

P.S.

The robot comment was stupid as well. Because, we are currently working on robots that take the place of actual warfighters, and already have a few semi-autonomous weapons that can. You bet they'll be fielded when they're available.

You also, obviously, just have one of those, highfalutin, reactionary and ultimately ignorant understanding of the atomic bombings of WWII. (No, I'm not going to re argue that, use the search function).

Its a stupid statement if you interpret it the way you are. ¿The abuse of "Support Our Troop" usually doesn't come in to form of accepting "heinous acts." ¿I was actually thinking more along the lines of supporting the war by supporting the troops. ¿I "support" our troops, but I do not support most of the wars they are ordered to fight. ¿That is all. ¿I would "support" our troops by bringing them home.

Never said it was a jingle, used appropriatly, its fine.

Please believe me, I am not attempting to "stir" any hatred towards the military. ¿Again, I have nothing against the military or those that serve.

And again, I know a lot of military folks too.

Your attitude toward "civilians" seems a little skewed. ¿Are you sure "any of them" are better than your average civilian? ¿Any?

So the robot comment was stupid because "we are currently working on robots"? ¿Why?

And yes, it is obvious I "have one of those, highfalutin, reactionary and ultimately ignorant understanding of the atomic bombings of WWII." ¿Got all that from one paragraph, huh? ¿We'll I'm OBVIOUSLY out-classed here. ¿Me and my highfalutin' ways. ¿Highfalutin' civilian ways... ¿Sounds a trifle a elitist, if you ask me. ¿Is that what you learned in the service, that you are better than the rest of us?

On the internet it's hard to ascertain actual intent when words are just black and white. So if I misinterpreted you, then I apologize.

As far as my belife of the superiority of the average military persona to that of his civilian counterpart.

I learned that as a civilian in the aftermath of my service. From experiences at school, dance clubs, coffee shops and even sites like this, I have forged a less than favorable opinion of civilians. Based, solely on their actions.

I'm sure some of it is learned in the military. There is a general disdain for the weak who remain home and pampered. But, that's a general disdain, not anything like what I feel today.

I'll admit I'm quick to pounce, because, over the years, I've had enough.

As far as your robot comment goes:

You alluded to the idea that the government would never use robotic soldiers because they could not use their suffering as propaganda.

My counter assertion is that they are rapidly developing weaponized robots to reduce the danger to warfighters and the risk of running afoul of the public by a perceived risk to warfighters.

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Report this Oct. 06 2009, 1:42 am

Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 05 2009, 9:34 pm)
Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 05 2009, 9:08 am)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 05 2009, 7:58 am)
Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 03 2009, 3:43 pm)
Quote (Alisium @ Oct. 03 2009, 5:03 pm)
Quote (Edgeways @ Oct. 02 2009, 6:43 am)
It's like the statement: "Support our Troops." ?Does that support include when they are raping women and killing children? ?The sentiment is noble, but leads directly to abuse. ?Hence, my signature below. ?You want to know why various governments don't use robotic soldiers for invasions--even though they might be more effective in the long run? ?Because nobody is going to put a bumper sticker on their car that says: "Support our Robots." ?It is the same reason the Americans haven't nuked anybody in 70 years. ?Support for mass murder on a biblical scale seldom sells. ?People are still arguing (10 forward included) over whether the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were warranted.

Yes because we regularly burn, rape and pillage.

?:eyesroll:

Stupid remark on your part.

Honestly with some of the a**holes on this site, I think I enjoy abusing myself by returning.

Please explain to stupid me, why I am so stupid--please use easy to understand terms.

1) I never said anybody regularly does anything. ?All I meant, was IF someone committed a heinous crime, they are not necessarily heros. ?Thats all. ?IF!

2) If you don't want to explain why its stupid to me, then explain to the others--so that we all might learn from my stupidity! ?What's the point of just saying its stupid without any examples of why?

3) Am I, then, finally one of the "a**holes" on this site because I have a different opinion from you? ?Have I said something offensive? ?I'm really sorry if I did. ?That was not my intent.

It's stupid because obviously, "Support Our Troops" is not a blanket statement that includes warfighters committing heinous acts in theater. It also assumes that this happens enough as to be an issue. It also assumes that by in large, the civilian world has a much better record in "the heinous acts ledger".

It's not a jingle. It's a way to remember how Vietnam veterans were treated upon returning home to the USA, a country that sent most of those young men to war against their will. It reminds us never to do that again.

Yet, so called peace activists, love to stir the hatred towards the military and liken (such as in your post) it to a force with the propensity towards evil. ?Peace activist, who rejoice at the heinous acts of a few, so they can paint the entire military as monsters for the world. Monsters that can only be reigned in by high-minded thinkers, such as yourselves.

I know plenty of military folks. Are they all heroes? Hell no. Some are down right sh*t bags, one or two I'd love to curb, myself.

Taken as a hole or on the average, however, any of them is a far better human being than your average, nasty, back on the block, pampered, ignorant, sheltered, highfalutin civilian.

P.S.

The robot comment was stupid as well. Because, we are currently working on robots that take the place of actual warfighters, and already have a few semi-autonomous weapons that can. You bet they'll be fielded when they're available.

You also, obviously, just have one of those, highfalutin, reactionary and ultimately ignorant understanding of the atomic bombings of WWII. (No, I'm not going to re argue that, use the search function).

Its a stupid statement if you interpret it the way you are. ?The abuse of "Support Our Troop" usually doesn't come in to form of accepting "heinous acts." ?I was actually thinking more along the lines of supporting the war by supporting the troops. ?I "support" our troops, but I do not support most of the wars they are ordered to fight. ?That is all. ?I would "support" our troops by bringing them home.

Never said it was a jingle, used appropriatly, its fine.

Please believe me, I am not attempting to "stir" any hatred towards the military. ?Again, I have nothing against the military or those that serve.

And again, I know a lot of military folks too.

Your attitude toward "civilians" seems a little skewed. ?Are you sure "any of them" are better than your average civilian? ?Any?

So the robot comment was stupid because "we are currently working on robots"? ?Why?

And yes, it is obvious I "have one of those, highfalutin, reactionary and ultimately ignorant understanding of the atomic bombings of WWII." ?Got all that from one paragraph, huh? ?We'll I'm OBVIOUSLY out-classed here. ?Me and my highfalutin' ways. ?Highfalutin' civilian ways... ?Sounds a trifle a elitist, if you ask me. ?Is that what you learned in the service, that you are better than the rest of us?

On the internet it's hard to ascertain actual intent when words are just black and white. So if I misinterpreted you, then I apologize.

As far as my belife of the superiority of the average military persona to that of his civilian counterpart.

I learned that as a civilian in the aftermath of my service. From experiences at school, dance clubs, coffee shops and even sites like this, I have forged a less than favorable opinion of civilians. Based, solely on their actions.

I'm sure some of it is learned in the military. There is a general disdain for the weak who remain home and pampered. But, that's a general disdain, not anything like what I feel today.

I'll admit I'm quick to pounce, because, over the years, I've had enough.

As far as your robot comment goes:

You alluded to the idea that the government would never use robotic soldiers because they could not use their suffering as propaganda.

My counter assertion is that they are rapidly developing weaponized robots to reduce the danger to warfighters and the risk of running afoul of the public by a perceived risk to warfighters.

I have no doubt that the American military has been working on robotic soldiers for a long time.  All I was trying to say, is that politically, it would look bad.  That is, sending robot armies to do some politician's dirty work.  I only imagine that support for any war or invasions would decrease using such technology.  That is all.

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